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Post by ozgringo on Dec 7, 2018 15:02:52 GMT -5
That is good news Colombia seems to be modernizing its migration system. My wife didn't get a stamp in her passport when she got her permanent residence in Australia.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 7, 2018 15:57:32 GMT -5
So you are gonna use crazy glue to fix the Visa to your passport? I looked at mine and it is a very high tech professional pasting process. Also, they stamp the passport with the Cedula number when they register it. On a separate page from the visa. So I dont know how thety are going to do that without you going down there. Then there is a 10 day wait for cedula to arrive.. Also, did you use a government registered official Colombian Translator to translate your supporting documents to Spanish? Thats what they have called for inthe past. Didnt know there were officially registered translators in Pacho. I still doubt they are gonna send you your visa. If they would do that they would send you the cedula as well. And in the off chance this does happened, hope they use servientrega and not send it through the mail system. I don't need to show proof of income because I am applying for a partner visa...... not an old fart visa. The various pages of the passport (info page, most recent visa and last entry stamp) are simply scanned copies. Same with cedulas (my old one and my wifes current one). It wasn't a requirement to have anything notarized except for the Power of Attorny (Poder Especial) for my wife to grant me permission to apply for the visa. This was done quickly and easily here at the notary in Pacho. Have you ever been to Pacho elex? You have no idea what a thriving metropolis it is.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 7, 2018 16:04:02 GMT -5
That is good news Colombia seems to be modernizing its migration system. My wife didn't get a stamp in her passport when she got her permanent residence in Australia. Yes .... it is great news that Colombia is finally getting into the 21st century. The bureaucracy has been slashed and everything is getting more simple and easier to do. It is not such a chore like it was 10 years ago. Now that all passports (Australia and Colombia) have chips and are fully digitized there is no need to glue bits of paper on the pages or even stamp them because everything is already in the computer. Wonderful really.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 14, 2018 8:48:48 GMT -5
My new Colombian spouse visa (Migrante tipo M) was approved yesterday and I just paid the final fee ($664,700) this morning on line.
Still no lawyers and still no trip to Bogota. All very easy.
My next task is the on line application for a new cedula.
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Post by tubes on Dec 14, 2018 14:00:37 GMT -5
How are you going to get it stamped in your passport without a trip to Bogota or an assistant?
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 14, 2018 14:40:18 GMT -5
tubes I have to go to Bogota within 15 days to register the visa and I also have to go to Bogota to collect my new cedula so I will do all three things on one visit (hopefully). MRE say it is not necessary for the visa to be in your passport because it is electronic ....... but you can have it put in your passport if you want: "Adjunto encontrará su visa electrónica en formato PDF. Puede ingresar a Colombia con esta visa y solicitar su impresión y estampado en BOGOTÁ. Si su visa tiene una vigencia menor a tres (3) meses, podrá permanecer y salir del país, presentando la visa electrónica, sin necesidad que le sea estampada la etiqueta de visa en el Pasaporte o Documento de Viaje.
El plazo legal establecido, para registrar su visa ante Migración Colombia, es de quince (15) días calendario contados a partir de la fecha de PUBLICACIÓN de la visa electrónica (e-visa) en su correo electrónico. Deberá presentarse ante Migración Colombia con la visa ya estampada en su pasaporte. Si se encuentra fuera del país, dicho plazo se empezará a contar a partir de la fecha de ingreso a Colombia."
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 20, 2018 8:33:41 GMT -5
Well elexpatriado will be very happy that I finally had to make the trip to Bogota. I am staying at a cheap little 'boutique' hotel near Parque 93 in Chico Norte. It's a good area with lots of restaurants and at this time of year the streets and parks are highly decorated with some amazing lighting. It seems to be a fairly safe place and easy walking distance to Migracion. From Hotel Casa Lozada, Cra. 16 #9376, Bogotá, Cundinamarca to Migración Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores, D.C, Ac. 100 #11b-27, Bogotá 16 min (1.3 km) via Ak. 15 and Ac. 100 Mostly flat Use caution–walking directions may not always reflect real-world conditions (specially in Colombia jajajaja) Hotel Casa Lozada Cra. 16 #9376, Bogotá, Cundinamarca Head northeast on Cra. 16 toward Cl. 93b 120 m Turn right onto Cl. 93b 96 m Turn left onto Ak. 15 750 m At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Ac. 100 Destination will be on the right 350 m Migración Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores D.C, Ac. 100 #11b-27, Bogotá These directions are for planning purposes only. You may find that construction projects, traffic, weather, or other events may cause conditions to differ from the map results, and you should plan your route accordingly. You must obey all signs or notices regarding your route.
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Post by scumbuster on Dec 20, 2018 8:50:37 GMT -5
so will this be a temp 2 year visa or did you get them to reinstate your residency where you left off?
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Post by wildstubby on Dec 20, 2018 13:01:05 GMT -5
You are correct. I stayed at the NH Collection right near the Four Season on 93B. I was amazed at the people taking in all the little shops and tiendas on and around Parque 93. But you are right, there are all kinds of restaurants there. BBC is right across the street with lots of good beer!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 13:23:31 GMT -5
You are correct. I stayed at the NH Collection right near the Four Season on 93B. I was amazed at the people taking in all the little shops and tiendas on and around Parque 93. But you are right, there are all kinds of restaurants there. BBC is right across the street with lots of good beer! A long time ago before I was Colombian Street smart I got ripped off at the BBC. I went to meet about 15 of my wife's neices and nephews. I sat down and had 2 beers, one by one over an hours time they all had left except me and my step son.(who never has his wallet). When I asked for the check it was over 500,000 pesos because none of the neices and nephews mentioned that they were there for hours without paying anything. All in all that lesson for 500,000 pesos has probably saved me 50 times that over the years.
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Post by ozgringo on Dec 20, 2018 14:16:00 GMT -5
You are correct. I stayed at the NH Collection right near the Four Season on 93B. I was amazed at the people taking in all the little shops and tiendas on and around Parque 93. But you are right, there are all kinds of restaurants there. BBC is right across the street with lots of good beer! A long time ago before I was Colombian Street smart I got ripped off at the BBC. I went to meet about 15 of my wife's neices and nephews. I sat down and had 2 beers, one by one over an hours time they all had left except me and my step son.(who never has his wallet). When I asked for the check it was over 500,000 pesos because none of the neices and nephews mentioned that they were there for hours without paying anything. All in all that lesson for 500,000 pesos has probably saved me 50 times that over the years. That happened to me a couple times with my wife's extended family never $500.000 COP. It is a given if we are with her two brothers. That is the best part of Bogota. Very safe, lots of nice restaurants. I went to a Japanese restaurant around there that actually had Japanese working there.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 20, 2018 15:30:35 GMT -5
so will this be a temp 2 year visa or did you get them to reinstate your residency where you left off? This is the new spouse visa (Migrante Visa tipo M). It is valid for 3 years and the cedula which is linked to the visa is also valid for 3 years. I got it all done today. It is miraculous how the process has improved. I now have my new visa in my passport and my cedula is all organised. It was all done in an hour. I am very impressed.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 20, 2018 15:52:06 GMT -5
I had made two separate appointments online. The first to register my visa and the second (A couple of hours later) to do the cedula business but the guy at the first appointment did everything on the same visit. I paid for the cedula on the spot with my Bancolombia debit card and the photo shoot and electronic fingerprints were all done at the same time in the same office. I was totally amazed at how quick and easy the whole process was. Only saw a couple of gringos. Most I suspect were vennies.
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 27, 2018 7:56:14 GMT -5
tubes I have to go to Bogota within 15 days to register the visa and I also have to go to Bogota to collect my new cedula so I will do all three things on one visit (hopefully). MRE say it is not necessary for the visa to be in your passport because it is electronic ....... but you can have it put in your passport if you want: "Adjunto encontrará su visa electrónica en formato PDF. Puede ingresar a Colombia con esta visa y solicitar su impresión y estampado en BOGOTÁ. Si su visa tiene una vigencia menor a tres (3) meses, podrá permanecer y salir del país, presentando la visa electrónica, sin necesidad que le sea estampada la etiqueta de visa en el Pasaporte o Documento de Viaje.
El plazo legal establecido, para registrar su visa ante Migración Colombia, es de quince (15) días calendario contados a partir de la fecha de PUBLICACIÓN de la visa electrónica (e-visa) en su correo electrónico. Deberá presentarse ante Migración Colombia con la visa ya estampada en su pasaporte. Si se encuentra fuera del país, dicho plazo se empezará a contar a partir de la fecha de ingreso a Colombia." Wont happen in one day.it takes them.at least a week to prepare the cédula.Unless they miraculously changed that as well. Can you do the new process with a "Unión Libre " relationship? Funny I renewed my rentista Type visa 6 months ago and it was worse than ever. Notarize this notarize that approved by Colombian consolate.blah..blah.They were even asking for Bank statement and The like. Anyway 2 and a half more years before I have to worry about it.
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 27, 2018 8:03:44 GMT -5
Anybody know if they simplified the process far other types of visas?
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 27, 2018 8:17:07 GMT -5
Anybody know if they simplified the process far other types of visas?
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 27, 2018 8:22:49 GMT -5
Anybody know if they simplified the process far other types of visas? To answer your earlier question, yes, the partner visa includes all the variations of permanent relationships ......... but I imagine actually being married is probably easier than defacto........ probably less evidence required. I did go to Bogota to register my new visa and had the stamp put in my passport and did the photos and electronic fingerprints all at the same time and yes I have to go back to collect my new cedula. I imagine the other types of visas have also been simplified because as of December last year the types of visas have been reduced from 21 to just 3.
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 28, 2018 7:44:21 GMT -5
Well if they were simplified it happened a lot later than December because I got my renewed visa ad Cedula the end of April 2018
I dont think a rentista or pensioner visa would be simplified because you would still need proof of income from your home country and notarized suthenticated and officially translate..where as marriage certificar is a Colombian official document already in Spanish.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 28, 2018 8:00:54 GMT -5
This is from the Migracion Colombia website (see the OP for the link):
M − PENSIONER OR INDEPENDENT INCOME BENEFICIARY
Description: A foreigner who receives a retirement pension or receives periodic income that is provable may apply.
The type M visa will be valid for 3 years.
Specific Requirements
Certification that recognizes monthly payment of pension in favor of the foreigner applicant of the visa in an amount not less than three (3) minimum monthly legal wages in effect, issued by competent entity or diplomatic or consular mission of the country where the foreigner obtained the pension accredited in Colombia; or Certification issued by a public entity or private company, recognized by the respective government, specifying the income paid or transferred in the name of the foreigner applying for the visa, the amount of which may not be less than ten (10) current monthly legal minimum wages.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 28, 2018 8:02:49 GMT -5
General instructions for submitting a visa application:
Have a valid passport or travel document, in good condition and with free space for visas. Fill out the electronic visa application form. All required documents, other than identity documents or travel documents, must have an issue date not later than three months from the date of application registration. All documents from abroad must have apostille or legalization and official translation into Spanish when it is not in this language. The official translation must be legalized or apostilled according to the case.
In the event of requiring submittal of bank statements, these may be without apostille or legalization and without translation into Spanish, if the content can be clearly established by the visa officer.
If the filing of criminal records is required, when the application for this visa is submitted to a Colombian consulate based in the country of origin of the foreigner, the criminal background certification according to the established procedures in that country will be sufficient. When the application is submitted to the Internal Visa and Immigration Working Group, it can include the criminal records certified by the consulate of the country of origin accredited in Colombia or apostilled and legalized as the case may be.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 28, 2018 8:04:44 GMT -5
Common requirements for all visa applications:
Provide a copy of the main page (biographical information) of the passport or travel document. If applying for your visa in Colombia, you must show that your immigration status is confirmed and show the last stamp of entry, exit or safe conduct as the case may be. If you apply for your visa at a Colombian consulate abroad, you must submit a copy of the document proving your regular stay in that country.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 28, 2018 8:13:07 GMT -5
Well if they were simplified it happened a lot later than December because I got my renewed visa ad Cedula the end of April 2018 The new visas came into effect in December 2017 but it may have taken a few months or more to roll out the changes to the application process.............. anyway it is a huge improvement on the process from 9 years ago.
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Post by sedelen on Dec 28, 2018 11:12:29 GMT -5
Well if they were simplified it happened a lot later than December because I got my renewed visa ad Cedula the end of April 2018 The new visas came into effect in December 2017 but it may have taken a few months or more to roll out the changes to the application process.............. anyway it is a huge improvement on the process from 9 years ago. I definitely remembered a tread about the new type of VISA's coming out late November a year ago, here it is. colombiaconnection.freeforums.net/thread/3867/colombian-visa-regulations-effect-decemberMy Type M new type VISA was effective Mar 5, 2018. Procedures for it were the same as far as I can determine but I used an agency to spare myself the trip(s) to Bogota. In a conversation with one of my Gringo friends he said the one requirement that stood out to him is they want 6 blank pages in your passport to enter the VISA. Can't remember seeing that ever written down anywhere though.
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 28, 2018 16:17:47 GMT -5
Well if they were simplified it happened a lot later than December because I got my renewed visa ad Cedula the end of April 2018 The new visas came into effect in December 2017 but it may have taken a few months or more to roll out the changes to the application process.............. anyway it is a huge improvement on the process from 9 years ago. What you.posted tells me it is still quite complicated for "M" pensionada and rentista type visas..but you would probably get by without a lawyer or facilitator...just have to keep "on top of it" What about your passport? Did you just scan and send the bio page and last entry estamps of your passport? Or did yo send a notarized copy by courier?
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 28, 2018 16:22:26 GMT -5
So who do they requier you to include a "Police clearance"? (Criminality check)
Maybe for work visas.I had to get this to work in Trinidad and Saudí Arabia ( cant remember the other countries I worked in whether this applied)
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 28, 2018 16:27:53 GMT -5
6 blank pages..doesnt make any sense..
And the number of pages they put in your passpport nowadays..one THATS another topic for discussions.
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Post by barrumundi on Dec 28, 2018 18:53:35 GMT -5
6 blank pages..doesnt make any sense.. And the number of pages they put in your passpport nowadays..one THATS another topic for discussions. elexpatriado I only needed to scan the bio page, the last visa and the last entry stamp. These were saved as PDF format and uploaded directly via the online application. The current version of instructions only say: "Have a valid passport or travel document, in good condition and with free space for visas. " It doesn't say how many pages.
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Post by sedelen on Dec 29, 2018 9:09:43 GMT -5
6 blank pages..doesnt make any sense.. And the number of pages they put in your passpport nowadays..one THATS another topic for discussions. 6 blank pages, that's what I heard from a friend of mine, and try as I might, I can't find any reference to that. Next time I talk with him I will inquire about this. I did find this which I thought was interesting. This is dated after the new changes went into effect, so it should be current. What I continue to find interesting is anything concerning the requirement for a round trip ticket. I recently had a friend or mine return to Colombia from the States. He had a one way ticket to Colombia flying out of Atlanta. His problem started when he was trying to check his bags in, which he eventually did. But when he tried to get his boarding pass he was confronted as to why he didn't have a "round trip" ticket. He produced his residency VISA for Colombia, his Cedula, and explained that he lives here with his Colombian wife, and has been for 8 years, owns property in Colombia, and has made this trip countless times without a "round-trip" ticket. No one at the service desk would make a decision on it, and the manager called for further assistance. As time passed without any response, my friend who needed to be here for his wife's scheduled surgery, decided to go ahead and get a round trip ticket and cancel it later. The line was long for the boarding pass and he ended up still missing his flight. He had to reschedule, but his baggage went on ahead of him. I had to deal with to a lesser extent the same thing, with Jet Blue. I even got an E-mail from them suggesting that I go ahead and buy the round trip ticket and cancel later is not needed, okay sounds good but there are time restrictions and sometimes fees associated with that. eca.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Visa-Information.pdf
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Post by elexpatriado on Dec 29, 2018 11:27:29 GMT -5
6 blank pages..doesnt make any sense.. And the number of pages they put in your passpport nowadays..one THATS another topic for discussions. 6 blank pages, that's what I heard from a friend of mine, and try as I might, I can't find any reference to that. Next time I talk with him I will inquire about this. I did find this which I thought was interesting. This is dated after the new changes went into effect, so it should be current. What I continue to find interesting is anything concerning the requirement for a round trip ticket. I recently had a friend or mine return to Colombia from the States. He had a one way ticket to Colombia flying out of Atlanta. His problem started when he was trying to check his bags in, which he eventually did. But when he tried to get his boarding pass he was confronted as to why he didn't have a "round trip" ticket. He produced his residency VISA for Colombia, his Cedula, and explained that he lives here with his Colombian wife, and has been for 8 years, owns property in Colombia, and has made this trip countless times without a "round-trip" ticket. No one at the service desk would make a decision on it, and the manager called for further assistance. As time passed without any response, my friend who needed to be here for his wife's scheduled surgery, decided to go ahead and get a round trip ticket and cancel it later. The line was long for the boarding pass and he ended up still missing his flight. He had to reschedule, but his baggage went on ahead of him. I had to deal with to a lesser extent the same thing, with Jet Blue. I even got an E-mail from them suggesting that I go ahead and buy the round trip ticket and cancel later is not needed, okay sounds good but there are time restrictions and sometimes fees associated with that. eca.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Visa-Information.pdfWhat Airlines was that? They sound like a bunch of idiots. They tried that sirven once I think with Avianca when I had an expired visa. I had a return ticket but it was for many months later. At first they wouldnt acept it.But I convinced them, and they said if migraciones rejected me, I would have to.pay the return flights. Of course migraciones didnt give a crap, especially with the Canadian entrance fer they get.
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Post by scumbuster on Dec 29, 2018 11:44:13 GMT -5
6 blank pages..doesnt make any sense.. And the number of pages they put in your passpport nowadays..one THATS another topic for discussions. 6 blank pages, that's what I heard from a friend of mine, and try as I might, I can't find any reference to that. Next time I talk with him I will inquire about this. I did find this which I thought was interesting. This is dated after the new changes went into effect, so it should be current. What I continue to find interesting is anything concerning the requirement for a round trip ticket. I recently had a friend or mine return to Colombia from the States. He had a one way ticket to Colombia flying out of Atlanta. His problem started when he was trying to check his bags in, which he eventually did. But when he tried to get his boarding pass he was confronted as to why he didn't have a "round trip" ticket. He produced his residency VISA for Colombia, his Cedula, and explained that he lives here with his Colombian wife, and has been for 8 years, owns property in Colombia, and has made this trip countless times without a "round-trip" ticket. No one at the service desk would make a decision on it, and the manager called for further assistance. As time passed without any response, my friend who needed to be here for his wife's scheduled surgery, decided to go ahead and get a round trip ticket and cancel it later. The line was long for the boarding pass and he ended up still missing his flight. He had to reschedule, but his baggage went on ahead of him. I had to deal with to a lesser extent the same thing, with Jet Blue. I even got an E-mail from them suggesting that I go ahead and buy the round trip ticket and cancel later is not needed, okay sounds good but there are time restrictions and sometimes fees associated with that. eca.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Visa-Information.pdfThe baggage going without him is a big no no. Due to terrorism one of the big changes implemented was if the passenger isn't on the plane the baggage doesn't fly. I have flown to Colombia numerous times on one way tickets and never been asked about return ticket. Seems like that was an odd situation with an inexperienced ticket agent. I recently bought a one way ticket to Peru and could have had an issue. But anticipating this could be an issue, I had printed a (fake) return itinerary on another airline, just in case I was asked. There are web sites that you can print a fake flight itinerary of a future flight. You just have to plug in a real flight #, date and time and it will make it look like its an Expedia reservation. They can check to make sure its a real flight but cant see the passenger list of other airlines. (at least for now) Its just airlines screwing with you. You dont need onward reservations to leave the country if you take a bus into a country. This was a 2 month trip in Peru then Ecuador and I hate having to know a return flight date a month or more in advance. BTW.. This was the first road crossing of a border I had ever done other than US/Canada. (Peru to Ecuador) It was an absolute pleasure to do. No ex-rays, pat-downs, luggage inspections. Was in/out and on my way in about 5 minutes. No line...1st window to exit Peru, get a stamp and step over to the adjacent window for an entry stamp to Ecuador. The Ecuador agent told me how many days I had left on my original stamp. Gave me a new stamp and off I went.
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