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Post by scumbuster on Oct 12, 2023 2:45:26 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any news on Congress approving Petros plan to end EPS as it currently stands? My wife said Congress has approved scaleing back EPS to only emergency care. She said the courts are looking at it now.
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Post by daluz on Oct 12, 2023 10:13:08 GMT -5
No, and I do not see anything mentioning it on the Internet within the last week either.
I do know our EPS, Sanitis, my doctor is really busy seeing folks who are non payers. She says she is about to give it up as the work load is becoming insane.
I assume this will eventually bankrupt the EPS, like it did our previous insurance.
My assumption is all EPS' will eventually go under as the government fails to pay the EPS' for services rendered for treating the uninsured.
Be well.
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Post by elexpatriado on Oct 12, 2023 14:36:19 GMT -5
Did you know by "Law" you are required to pay monthly EPS based on 5% of your monthly world wide income?
I had this confirmed by 2 highly respected Medellin lawyers and one visa agent-
it is for Visa renewals through the Cancilleria. Had it happen to me on my last attempt at a rentista visa renewal. And of course they only look at your visa stated income, not world wide income, which only DIAN would have access to through the world-wide CRS system, or , if you ara super-honest type, on your "Declracion de Renta".
But they are the only government body currently trying to enforce this law. No other agency, like Mini-Salud, or the EPS providers themselves, is going around making expats pay their "Fair Share" . Almost everyone pays the minimum , around 150 mil a month
This only applies for rentista , pensionada and digital nomad visa and a few others, you actually supposed to get fancy emergency medical Insurance , with repatriation to your "Home" country on new visa applications after October last year. If it is a visa renewal, You can try and use a "grandfather" or "transition" clause and use your EPS in lieu of the costly emergency medical/repatriation insurance, if you are renewing an old "M" visa, but you risk the Cancilleria asking for Planillas proving you paid 5 % of your Visa stated income into the EPS system in the last 6 to 12 months prior to the application. And if they do ask , and you dont "rectify" the situation by backpaying your EPS payments and updating the planillas, they will probably deny your visa.
Also, if you apply or re-apply for a Penionada visa after October last year, you are PROHIBITED from being on or using EPS. You have to use the fancy emergency medical / repatriation service and nothing else.
NOT-This does not AT THIS TIME apply to Marraige Visa or applying for an "R" Visa, based on accumulated time (including based on a previous Pensionada visa), and I dont think for an inversionista visa. They are not asking for health care data for these visas (maybe for inversionista,I dont know)
Best not give your EPS certificate and information when applying or re-applying for a visa. It only causes problems.
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Post by scumbuster on Oct 15, 2023 14:02:16 GMT -5
Well I spoke to another expat yesterday. I had mentioned to him about what I had heard about EPS so he had his wife grill their Dr. He confirmed that EPS as we know it will be ending. Now the government pays the private companied like Sanitas, to run the medical system. The Government will be taking over the EPS system to administer themselves and changing what is covered. Sanitas and its Dr's will roll into ColSanitas as a private insurer. They are at this point keeping a lid on the news for fear of massive protests, and they are still ironing out may details of the change. But I guess one bill has passed already and another is being debated now. I would be curious to hear what others can find out from there Dr's if they have any upcoming appointments.
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Post by wildstubby on Oct 15, 2023 16:25:19 GMT -5
scumbuster said: I asked the wife if her brother, who is a doctor, said anything about that. She told me no. I know he won some kind of lawsuit against the government for not paying him for services but I don't know the details. I know that he is madder than a hornet that one of the nearby cities owe him money for taking care of the poor. I'm only gleaning what the wife told me and I can interpret. I'll post when and if I learn anything.
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Post by elexpatriado on Oct 15, 2023 18:51:17 GMT -5
WEll I hope it dors end and they let ypu go on Medicina Prepagada without any government insurance and without a cedula so I can use it to apply for a Visa with a little upgrade for reptriation.
But I higly doubt it.
The other Insurance that is acceptable for a visa costs $900 a year.Less than I pay for prepagada, but not the same thing. Emergency coverage and tepstristion dead or alive only.
Whole thing is foched up.
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Post by wildstubby on Oct 19, 2023 17:34:03 GMT -5
The cuñado finally contacted me. He wasn't specific about anything really. Just the usual anti-Petro drivel saying he wants to shut everything down. I didn't press the issue because I knew it wouldn't do me any good!
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