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Post by scumbuster on Aug 29, 2022 12:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 29, 2022 20:22:25 GMT -5
Polls say it will be rejected.
But we know how accurate polls are sometimes.
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 29, 2022 20:27:49 GMT -5
Polls say it will be rejected. But we know how accurate polls are sometimes. If the Economist says it is a Leftist piece of garbage, itmust really be unhinged
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Post by wildstubby on Aug 30, 2022 5:05:51 GMT -5
elex said: Uber-leftist is the term I believe!
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Post by vikingo on Sept 2, 2022 6:51:17 GMT -5
Below a post from an Expat, no idea what nationality, I saved and would like to share. I lived in Cali during the last riot and the similarities with Chile are overwhelming. Our transit system is still in the process to restore the final large MIO terminal in the North of Cali called ‘Paso Comercio’. Another mayor terminal with access to two high end shopping centers in Cali’s exclusive South ‘La Buitrera’ has just 4 months ago been put back in operation. Cali’s proximity to the Cauca department, a province infested with FARC dissidents and radical leftist Indio tribes were to blame for most of the mayhem in Cali, they invaded Cali by the truck loads and with Chiva buses and I saw those caravans with my own eyes, endlessly blowing the horn to get peoples attention and many Caleños waving at them. I believe though, some righteous Colombians voted for Petro because they were hoping life would be more tranquil without the constant fear and scare tactics of the Marxist radicals, as Petro would have more control over his former comrades and since our military and recent governments worrying about human rights violations failed us miserably. Most decent caleños I talked with are convinced that not only Petro and his friends and admirers encouraged the mayhem but that also Cuba and Venezuela sent their communist agents to Colombia during the unrest to guide the demonstrators and fire them up to cause as much damage as possible, it looked like a professionally organized disturbance to steer up the mostly ignorant masses to participate in the destruction if not approve of it. PaltaConPollo I lived in Chile during the mass social unrest that occurred there in October 2019, and personally I see a lot of similarities between those events and the current situation in Colombia. In Chile's case, the unrest was triggered by a metro fair price increase, which resulted in almost the entire metro network being burnt down with over 80 stations destroyed, followed by waves of rioting, looting, burning of businesses and churches, basically total mayhem.
It was clear that the protests were being infiltrated, if not outright controlled by far-left militant groups with a grudge against the centre-right government of Sebastina Piñera, who admittedly really didn't help himself by saying that "We are at war with a powerful enemy" as he brought in the military, before withdrawing them from the streets a week later and meekly giving into the protester's demands by shelving the metro fair hike. These "peaceful protesters, some of them Cuban or Venezuelan, quickly turned my city-centre neighbourhood into a flaming Max-Max style hellscape, burning everything in sight, setting up flaming roadblocks and extorting money from motorists, there were food shortages as supermarkets were either looted and burned or were unable to get supplies due to blockades.
The violence was being fuelled by a massive social media fake news psy-op campaign by the far-left militants who were spreading false rumours about a "torture centre" being set up in one of the metro police stations, and claiming falsely that police were "massacring" protesters with live rounds, amongst other things, they were even infiltrating Chilean expat groups I was a member of and calling me and anyone else who spoke out against the violence "fachos" and warning us to "get out of our country". All this rumbled on until December, and briefly sparked up again the following March before Covid hit and killed off the protests.
As I said, many parallels with the Colombian situation, and the mayhem could easily flare up again later in the year with the coming presidential elections. Latin America really is in a mess right now, the far-left is causing havoc throughout the whole region.
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Post by scumbuster on Sept 2, 2022 7:45:43 GMT -5
Like in the US.. Dont live in a big city. This is where the leftists call home. I am an hour outside Bogota in a smaller town of about 50k people. I can walk to the basic necessities of life and can get to a home center, price smart and a decent mall within a 10 min Uber ride. We are about 30 min. outside the last Transmilenio station. When there were disturbances in Bogota in the past, we never had any signs of this where I am. The way young people are being indoctrinated in the universities I only expect it to get worse in the future. Have a backup plan if things start to get ugly in Colombia.
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Post by wildstubby on Sept 2, 2022 17:27:39 GMT -5
Just to let you know it is still going on out there. Case in point: One of my daughter's teachers contacted us and said she has contact with another family from Colombia and can they contact us. Of course we said yes. It turns out the woman's father is from Ibague and the woman herself was living in Bogota. Her job was as a social worker and go out to these families that were brutalized by FARC and ELN etc, and try to help them out. The short version is their lives were threatened and they came across the boarder via Mexico seeking, (and getting) political asylum. All this with just the clothes on their back. We are trying to help them out and hook them up with different church organizations to get them clothes. But the fact remains that just because Santos had the FARC sign a peace accord, doesn't mean they all gave up their arms and stopped the terrorism they were doing! Sorry that this may belong in the Colombian forum but it draws parallels to the other militants in Chile and Argentina.
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Post by vikingo on Sept 4, 2022 6:43:38 GMT -5
The number of FARC dissidents is much higher than most people realize, I've read from a European News source some time ago there are more than 6000. They were promised elaborate support during the peace process that never took place in most cases after they were disarmed. There was even talk about a million and a half peso monthly pension for every FARC member that was quickly dropped though.
So many disillusioned FARC rearmed themselves (Venezuela, Cuba?) and formed new criminal groups, surviving mostly from drug activity. Out here the huge amount of dissidents is hushed over, not wanting to admit that the peace process mostly failed, after all it was celebrated to no end, especially with Santo's Nobel Price.
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Post by vikingo on Sept 4, 2022 6:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by vikingo on Sept 4, 2022 7:28:42 GMT -5
Like in the US.. Dont live in a big city. This is where the leftists call home. I am an hour outside Bogota in a smaller town of about 50k people. I can walk to the basic necessities of life and can get to a home center, price smart and a decent mall within a 10 min Uber ride. We are about 30 min. outside the last Transmilenio station. When there were disturbances in Bogota in the past, we never had any signs of this where I am. The way young people are being indoctrinated in the universities I only expect it to get worse in the future. Have a backup plan if things start to get ugly in Colombia. Not everybody has a choice to live in a small town or village near a big city, which I would definitely prefer.
In our case, wife has a well established business in Cali that couldn't possibly survive in a town.
We also have kids in a private school (colegio). Problem is true professionals prefer to live in large cities where their income is substantially higher. And high cost equipment for medical exams would never pay for itself in a town.
I at an advanced age with health issues need to be near a well equipped clinic with specialists that are hard to find or non existent in a town.
Wife's parents and her entire family live in a town in the South of 70.000, have their houses, some have a business there and the nearest specialists and equipped clinics are 9 hours away by ambulance to Pasto at a cost of a million pesos, and if there is a landslide and the road is blocked the trip could take up to a couple of days, bad news for a medical emergency.
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Post by vikingo on Sept 4, 2022 8:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by vikingo on Sept 4, 2022 19:50:29 GMT -5
Chilenos are celebrating the rejection of a new constitution. A huge loss for the communist president.
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Post by vikingo on Sept 5, 2022 17:39:48 GMT -5
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