|
Post by livinginmedellin on Aug 24, 2016 6:31:56 GMT -5
In a watershed moment for Colombia, the government and the country’s FARC rebel group will make the long-awaited announcement Wednesday that they have reached a deal to end their bloody 52-year war. A formal announcement will be made tomorrow afternoon here in Havana, where negotiations began nearly four years ago, but the two sides are still ironing out a minor details of their final accord, Colombian officials said late Tuesday. “A deal is imminent to close the negotiations,” an official told reporters, adding that an announcement would likely take place in the evening. The completion of a final agreement does not amount to an end to the war, which has killed more than 200,000 and driven nearly seven million from their homes over the past half-century. Colombian voters must ratify the deal at the ballot box in a still-unscheduled vote, likely to take place in October, that is shaping up to be a final showdown between the country’s two biggest political archrivals. President Juan Manuel Santos, who has staked his legacy to the peace accord, will be campaigning for Colombians to approve it. His nemesis, former president Alvaro Uribe, is leading the drive to sink the deal and urging Colombians to vote “No.” He and other critics say it will grant broad immunity on FARC leaders whose guerrilla warfare tactics included kidnapping, terrorism, drug trafficking and murder. Polls asking Colombians if they will vote to approve the deal have been mixed. But formal announcement planned for Wednesday, and the publication of the final accord, means the plebiscite vote can go forward, and the government — and FARC — will find out if Colombians are willing to go along with their agreement. If approved by Colombian voters, the peace deal would become law, and FARC would begin demobilizing its 7,000 fighters at designated camps and “protected zones” with monitors from the United Nations. The rebels would have 180 days to fully disarm under the terms of the accords. As the peace talks have advanced, rural violence in Colombia has fallen to its lowest point in decades. A formal cease-fire plan was announced in June. See: www.washingtonpost.com/world/colombia-government-and-farc-rebels-ready-to-announce-peace-deal/2016/08/24/32ac13b6-d796-4d70-b2f9-da75d9e43bbb_story.html
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:53:06 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by billyb on Aug 24, 2016 11:04:57 GMT -5
They need to get their vote buying on the coast done first.
|
|
|
Post by mudd on Aug 24, 2016 13:50:51 GMT -5
yo watch, street crime will increase soon,
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 18:57:34 GMT -5
I just read they wish to set the referendum for within a month. That's what I was expecting: Going as fast as possible to avoid debates.
|
|
|
Post by suba on Aug 25, 2016 13:48:01 GMT -5
The senate can over rule the vote anyway so it's probably a foregone conclusion.
As someone who is no supporter of Santos I hope he has got this one right and proves all us doubters wrong - Colombia deserves peace.
|
|
|
Post by avispa on Aug 25, 2016 13:50:54 GMT -5
No problem with having the vote in a month. That's plenty of time to debate it. There's no need for a US Presidential campaign of 2+ years.
|
|
|
Post by charlie640 on Aug 25, 2016 16:06:39 GMT -5
I am not expert BUT from what little i know FARC finances much of their operation from drugs. Does anyone really think that these high profit businesses will just cease to exist after they sign the treaty? Instead of the $$ going to feed / equip the FARC Army they will rename themselves and become a new drug gang. Watch it happen.
|
|
|
Post by barrumundi on Aug 25, 2016 16:32:07 GMT -5
A lot of people would agree with you charlie640 ............and I am one of them.
|
|
|
Post by makopp5 on Aug 25, 2016 19:19:26 GMT -5
And with all the financial promises, the taxes will go very high. And lots of jobs will get lost, this will create more urban violence. Why there is no word of the finances of FARC in the agreement? No information of the drug routs? We tax payers have to say "thanks" to the terrorists and have to pay their salary and their damage.
|
|
|
Post by ozgringo on Aug 25, 2016 23:34:40 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 2:17:07 GMT -5
Some Colombians are complaining that they will have to vote while the FARCs will still be armed. They fear that in some regions, the FARC will influence (at gunpoint) the votes.
|
|
|
Post by ozgringo on Aug 26, 2016 6:12:17 GMT -5
The peace agreement From thewire.in/61874/battle-peace-colombia/The 297 page agreement in Spanish www.altocomisionadoparalapaz.gov.co/procesos-y-conversaciones/Paginas/Texto-completo-del-Acuerdo-Final-para-la-Terminacion-del-conflicto.aspxIntegral rural reform ‘structural transformation of the countryside." Political participation: ...FARC will give up arms and violence" ...integral security system for free political expression by new parties and political movements will oversee special measures, " Cessation of hostilities and surrender of arms: ...FARC will be assigned 23 transit zones and eight camps.....completely surrender all arms... ...collaborate with the Colombian armed forces against organised criminal groups..." The drugs trade: ...‘dismantle the narcotics value chain’, while protecting legitimate interests of traditional cultivators and the recently legalised medical marijuana industry." Victims and justice: ‘widest possible’ amnesty will be provided to guerrillas, except to those guilty of crimes against humanity and crimes under the Statute of Rome." Implementation and verification: A bipartisan commission, with representatives from the international community, will set out a basic plan with a 10-year time-frame to implement the agreement." "The battle for peace may have concluded but it remains to be seen if it will end the war that has ravaged this beautiful country far too long."
|
|
|
Post by dandl93 on Aug 26, 2016 10:11:17 GMT -5
There is a big political meeting here today backed by Uribe supporters it is to go over plans on getting people out to vote..No..
|
|
|
Post by suba on Aug 26, 2016 23:03:35 GMT -5
Costenogringo that is a hell of a report, you should send it to a few of the newspapers outside Colombia.
|
|
|
Post by dandl93 on Aug 27, 2016 6:54:46 GMT -5
Costenogringo that is a hell of a report, you should send it to a few of the newspapers outside Colombia. A few of them pics have already been in the news, I dont think it would be a good idea it is called plagirism.jajajajajajajajaj
|
|
|
Post by gallito on Aug 27, 2016 11:54:06 GMT -5
Costenogringo that is a hell of a report, you should send it to a few of the newspapers outside Colombia. A few of them pics have already been in the news, I dont think it would be a good idea it is called plagirism.jajajajajajajajaj CG, you have a future in CR (Col Reports) as a stringer.
|
|
|
Post by suba on Aug 28, 2016 12:48:56 GMT -5
All this debate over the peace agreement and I can't help think that it all comes down to one simple point.
Neither side is going to just walk away from the billion dollar drug trafficking industry.
|
|
|
Post by avispa on Aug 28, 2016 13:43:24 GMT -5
‘structural transformation of the countryside."
You need a polisci degree to come up with a bs phrase like that. "Structural transformation of the countryside"; like when Stalin killed all the middle class farmers and herded the rest into communes and caused a famine?
|
|
|
Post by barrumundi on Aug 30, 2016 0:16:14 GMT -5
All this debate over the peace agreement and I can't help think that it all comes down to one simple point. Neither side is going to just walk away from the billion dollar drug trafficking industry. As the country declares peace after five decades of war against the FARC, a scramble for territory and control over the drug trade is emboldening new, anarchic gangs. No one expects the peace deal to change anything in Altos — or the many more places like it across Colombia. Of course, in many areas, the agreement could bring some relief. For decades, the FARC has dominated the drug trade and controlled swaths of territory; it has forcibly recruited children, seized illegal mines, and carried out all manner of terrorist attacks. But Colombia’s conflict has a multitude of actors, and the FARC is just one. Even if the guerrillas disband quickly and quietly, their illicit economy — and the bloodshed it generates — is too lucrative and tempting to disappear anytime soon. foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/25/colombias-war-just-ended-a-new-wave-of-violence-is-beginning/
|
|
|
Post by dandl93 on Sept 6, 2016 9:18:27 GMT -5
A few of them pics have already been in the news, I dont think it would be a good idea it is called plagirism.jajajajajajajajaj Just saw those snide remarks, dandl93 and to set your mind at ease; read my second post again, a child can see that the pics of the injured police man weren't taken from the bus, they were sent to her Face-book by a woman she knows from the neighboring village La Hormiga. I realize now I should have spelled it out for folks like you. She even shared the images from the Paro she took with a person on the bus on the way back, it never occurred to her to sell them. Nobody is lying nor is claiming something is theirs if it isn’t, no plagiarism here of any kind. Your quote ...She took these pictures from the bus outside of Mocoa where the Paro took place. The police finally used tear gas to disperse them but a while later they all were back twice as strong. The police was greatly outnumbered and I suspect they were instructed not to injure anyone. So the campesinos had nothing to fear. Read more: colombiaconnection.freeforums.net/thread/1961/colombia-farc-announce-peace-today#ixzz4JU6ayJ00Also a few of those pics above was from the truckers strike about a year or so ago.But this would not be the only time you showed pics of someone or something that got you called out on like the pic of a women running down the beach and 6 monthes later the same pic you claimed it was your girlfriend but blocked out here face. Those trucker strick pics was in the news and I said a few of those pics not all of them.So Do I need to Spell it Out For YOU
|
|
|
Post by wildstubby on Sept 6, 2016 18:37:23 GMT -5
Don't go anywhere @costenogringo! I like your posts and I need insight when dealing with coast-ie women
|
|
|
Post by dandl93 on Sept 6, 2016 20:22:30 GMT -5
What I didn’t know until I asked her right now, her sitting next to me, finally taking a small plane out of there with Satena, is that she exchanged photos with the woman sitting next to her on the bus and there is a strong possibility that she copied some photos which were not taken at the day they were confronted with the Paro, but were taken at the same spot outside Mocoa, where two roads branch off, one to Pasto, the other to Pitalito, Popayán and eventually to Cali. I didn’t get into a long discussion with her about the photos and she isn’t a very talkative woman to begin with, but I should have known that you are taking a perverse pleasure in taking my posts apart. As far as pics of my ex gf are concerned, that was years ago when my mind wasn’t very clear because of the stroke I had in 2011, but I can assure everyone on the forum that I never posted pictures of a woman I wasn’t involved with, all three of them since I moved to Colombia in 2010. I didn’t have to because every one of them looked good in a bikini. Not my fault if you were bothered by that, dandl93. And hopefully this is the last time I hear from you, unhappy people who are constantly looking for faults with others or should I go as far as saying, stalking them, depress me and I will give you the last word. You made the post and have changed your response what 3 times now? You got called out on bad info/pics man up no one is stalking you.I dont care who or how you got the pics you posted but do care that 2 of the pics did not have to do with this OP Now for your pics of your girlfriend back then I was the one that stepped up for you when some posters was calling you out about your BS between the pics.I dont have to look for your faults you aare and have been very happy to post them.
|
|