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Post by makopp5 on May 20, 2016 22:45:39 GMT -5
What are the costs for Colombia to fight drugs? Haw much does it cost every year in money and human life? Where is the benefit for Colombia? What is Colombia getting for this? How much money and human life could be saved in Colombia, if all drugs were legal? How much taxe could Colombia earn when they tax drugs?
I'm in favor of legalizing all drugs in Colombia, there is no logical reason for fighting drugs. The history showed, that Colombian can not win this war and it's too expensive for the Colombian tax payer.
What's your opinion?
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Post by scumbuster on May 20, 2016 22:54:49 GMT -5
Not only legal in Colombia but the US also. As long as its illegal there will be a black market with violence. Drug use is a victimless crime. The only one you hurt is yourself so its no crime in my book. The war on drugs has been a total failure. Every country should do what's in the best interest of their citizens and not be blackmailed by other countries.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 23:24:52 GMT -5
I'm in favour of legalising, but not because Colombia, the main producer, is somehow being disadvantaged.
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Post by gallito on May 20, 2016 23:27:13 GMT -5
Aren't most drugs already legal ex. small amounts for personal consumption.
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Post by scumbuster on May 21, 2016 6:25:36 GMT -5
Its the producers and distributors that cause the issues. If you make it legal you remove the violence.
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Post by dandl93 on May 21, 2016 6:42:55 GMT -5
Legal personal consumption has no enfluence on Mfg.
All countries have to legalize or the Black Market of MFG and shipping will always be there to cause havoc
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Post by makopp5 on May 21, 2016 6:48:55 GMT -5
Aren't most drugs already legal ex. small amounts for personal consumption. some kind of, but still it's illegal having bigger amounts, or production. So still a big problem.
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Post by suba on May 21, 2016 10:03:31 GMT -5
Do you really think that by making it all legal that the bad guys will suddenly develop a conscience? Colombia drives this market, these people are not victims that would rush off to work in Kokoriko if you take away their means of making a living. If you believe that then you believe that Santos is right to pardon these killers.
Legalise it by all means but don't try to argue that Colombia is somehow not the main benefactor of the drug trade and that this same scum wouldn't come up with some other way of exploiting people, like kidnapping or people trafficking.
Colombia is the problem, not the innocent victim.
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Post by scumbuster on May 21, 2016 10:15:59 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is saying that by legalizing drugs it will solve every problem Colombia has with criminals. Some might turn into legit growers. Some may change to something else legal and some will just go to another criminal activity. But the war on drugs has been a complete failure. Stop throwing good money after bad at it and change the system. Some countries have tried this to some extent and the sky didn't fall. I prefer to see drug addicts buying a quality product that will not kill them from a dispensary and even giving them free syringes to shoot up. I think that's cheaper than dealing with it criminally and at emergency rooms from ODs.
Believe me that this is a huge shift in position from 10 years ago. I was a lock them up guy before. But its been done for decades and it isn't working. Its time to objectively look at it and try something else.
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Post by dandl93 on May 21, 2016 10:26:25 GMT -5
Suba you dont beleive that Colombia Cocaine is the worlds drug trade ? it is only a drop in the bucket.Herion, Pot, Hash, Meth even Prescription Drugs stolen and sold.It is not the Colombian narcos controlling the sales and shipping of drugs in the USA there is bad guys in every country that prey on their own.
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Post by suba on May 21, 2016 10:36:00 GMT -5
I agree Dan, I'd legalise the whole thing tomorrow and the comments I made refer to every country, not just Colombia. However, Colombia differs in that it seems to be the only country claiming that the problem isn't somehow their problem. As we speak the Colombian government is pushing through legislation that can't be changed if this thing spirals out of control when the drug traffickers are given free reign to ply their trade, free from being bombed or even even prosecuted for the worst war crimes imaginable. The Colombian government is pushing this through because they know they are up to their corrupt necks in the same thing and don't want any legal process to uncover this.
Can you imagine this happening anywhere else? it's like the Germans giving the Nazis political status and not allowing prosecutions.
There are indeed just as many bad guys in every other country, including the UK and the US, but the population wouldn't stand for this mass hand slapping and free tickets to Miami for every drug trafficker, kidnapper and rapist just to keep some politicians out of prison.
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Post by makopp5 on May 21, 2016 12:19:52 GMT -5
suba what is the alternative? Fighting drugs doesn't work, the cost is too high and no results. Or is the use of illegal drugs going down? No. So what? You have to learn from the mistakes made in the past.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 23:30:05 GMT -5
Legalized but organized. But the key is more on the biggest consuming markets, namely North America and Europe. Legalizing drug consumption in Colombia only would have little to no effect to the drug trade and the violence involved.
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Post by dandl93 on May 23, 2016 6:53:11 GMT -5
Goverments can not legalize it then pack on a Tax so high it is still cheaper thru the black market.If the Govs do it will change nothing.
REf... Whiskey in Colombia
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Post by makopp5 on May 23, 2016 6:57:32 GMT -5
dandl93 They could use a tax like alcohol or cigarettes. Going on like now has a too high cost for Colombia.
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