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Post by makopp5 on May 20, 2016 21:30:19 GMT -5
suba here anther example of Londons fine people:
The horrific scale of sexual abuse against children carried out by powerful figures in British public life was laid bare last month, when police officers disclosed that they were investigating allegations against 76 politicians and almost 250 “persons of public prominence.” More than 100,000 alleged attacks have been catalogued by detectives since the police launched a series of inquiries into sexual abuse by people in positions of power.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 21:30:28 GMT -5
Jajaja, have a drink Suba, you need it, you are now babbling.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:33:30 GMT -5
It's English Billy, you should learn it properly if you don't know your own language.
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Post by wildstubby on May 21, 2016 5:51:19 GMT -5
Wow!!! This thread seemed to spiral out of control into a different 'realm' before I had a chance to respond! @expatriado said: That's a good question! The way I understand it, and mind you, I'm just a blue collar guy working the production floor, a generic company has to use the same formulation as the originator. Essentially, when you make this stuff, you take product A and B to make C. Then when you have enough C you add D to come up with the formulation. How you make A, B, C, and D, is of no consequence. Just as long as the proportions are correct and they pass quality standards. Only a few generic companies I trust: Teva Pharmaceuticals and West Pharmaceutical. I hesitate to use anything coming out of India. But when you ask for generic, the pharmacist gives you what he has on the shelf and you don't have a clue where it came from!
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Post by elexpatriado on May 21, 2016 7:50:50 GMT -5
Wow!!! This thread seemed to spiral out of control into a different 'realm' before I had a chance to respond! @expatriado said: That's a good question! The way I understand it, and mind you, I'm just a blue collar guy working the production floor, a generic company has to use the same formulation as the originator. Essentially, when you make this stuff, you take product A and B to make C. Then when you have enough C you add D to come up with the formulation. How you make A, B, C, and D, is of no consequence. Just as long as the proportions are correct and they pass quality standards. Only a few generic companies I trust: Teva Pharmaceuticals and West Pharmaceutical. I hesitate to use anything coming out of India. But when you ask for generic, the pharmacist gives you what he has on the shelf and you don't have a clue where it came from! Well the reason I ask is EPS in Colombia gives you free or cheap genéric drugs.but some doctors recommend non_generic drugs only. I wonder if there really is a difference or the docs are just getting a kickback from the drug companies
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Post by suba on May 21, 2016 9:17:06 GMT -5
Even the FDA admit that generic drugs are in no way of an inferior quality than non generic. The problem arises when drug companies hold back on research because it's cheaper to just copy others. Eventually market forces will determine whether anyone bothers.
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Post by scumbuster on May 21, 2016 9:20:25 GMT -5
I see the biggest issue being patent rights. If we don't honor the patents no one will go to the trouble of investing millions into research. If as soon as they find something that works, everyone is free to copy it just will not be done.
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Post by suba on May 21, 2016 9:52:23 GMT -5
Last year was the year when thousands of patents ran out and we are now seeing generics flooding the market. Something like 80% of all prescriptions are now for generics and there's no rush anymore to come up with original drugs. Pfizer last year bought a competitor named Hospira rather than compete, Hospira were big in Bogotá, now they're non existent. The money Pfizer would have used for research and development was simply used to remove the competition.
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Post by wildstubby on May 21, 2016 20:35:43 GMT -5
@expatriado said: Like I said, drugs are made with A, B, C, and D. Suppose Acme Pharmaceuticals originally made D using methylethylbadscheissen, (MEBS). Anyway, the patent goes of and GenericA decides to make D but how they make MEBS is different than how Acme Pharmaceutical does it. There isn't supposed to be any difference. But I can tell there are differences in my gabapentin that I take for my trigeminal neuralgia from one generic maker to another. suba said: Some generics will make orphan drugs and drive the prices up on them. Who was that former CEO that ran some cancer drug price up to 4000% because they were the only company making it? That was more than the original company was selling it for.
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