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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 18:56:20 GMT -5
No, your only argument is that despite the valid comparison, both drug trafficking and child prostitution are abhorrent, you defend one because it starts in the country of your birth and you have no way at all of defending the other.
So "that's different" and "thats silly" are the only arguments you can come up with to validate supporting one and not the other.
Speaks volumes.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 18:57:25 GMT -5
suba cocaine is a comodity and children are human beeings, so there is a big difference you can not compare Do you think they are machines that take these drugs and have their lives wrecked - not really a very good argument.
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Post by scumbuster on May 20, 2016 19:00:58 GMT -5
Make it all legal and you take the profit from the cartels. Put the billions used for eradication and enforcement into education and treatment. Personal responsibility hast to come into this.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 19:04:16 GMT -5
And suba, don't forget that those dealers giving English children drug samples to get them hooked, as you so like to point out, are English pushers, might be some of your former neighbors, and maybe even some of your friends and relatives, who knows, but they are not in Colombian, so save the high horse bit for another time.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 19:16:28 GMT -5
They probably are English and I would hang them and the manufacturers from the nearest lamppost - you on the other hand would only hang one, presumably the none Colombian. If that means I'm on a high horse letting it defecate on those who think the supplier is above contempt then I'll happily sit up here knowing who's in the gutter wishing they could get out.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 19:30:39 GMT -5
See, there you go, lying again, as you are wont to do when not able to make a cogent point. I'm not saying that drug pushers are innocent. So be a man and quit making shit up. Without demand there is no supply, simple fact of life. And all the despicable pushers selling drugs in England to school children are English residents. Tell your people to stop selling.
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Post by ozgringo on May 20, 2016 19:35:33 GMT -5
Us Australians pay about $36 Aust a month for a course (30 pills @400mg) of imatinib, or as little as $6 a month for people on pensions. However, Cocaine is around $400 Aust a gram and I don't think we give anything to Colombia in the form of AID apart from 23 Australia Awards Scholarships and 28 Australia Awards Fellowships.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 19:40:07 GMT -5
How much is an Aussie dollar worth in US dollars?
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 19:50:06 GMT -5
"See, there you go, lying again"
I suppose that's where we differ, I would just admit it if I were ok with my countrymen manufacturing drugs, I'm not, will never be and will never have reason to lie about anything of the kind. I suppose being Colombian it's just in your blood.
You think it's ok to export misery and deflect the guilt onto the shoulders of those addicted or just too stupid to realise what they are supporting, I don't. You might have more luck debating with another Colombian who will tell you it's all ok - it's not, we just don't rely on it as the main achievement of our respective countries. Sorry if the facts hurt but given where you grew up you should have heard them before.
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Post by ozgringo on May 20, 2016 19:52:10 GMT -5
Currently 0.72 US Cents.
We have something called the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. certain medicines are subsidised by the Australian governemnt. My son, is allergic to milk protein and as a result needs a special baby formula. That formula is around $50 USD for a tin. We can get the same formulae (manufactured in the Netherlands) and 8 tins for $36 Aussie thanks to the government subsidy.
My wife needs hormone treatment that in Colombia was $150 USD a month here in Australia (more advanced that what we got in Colombia) subsidised cost of $28 Aus a month.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 19:56:25 GMT -5
Look Suba, we both know you like to lie and ascribe sentiments to others that they didn't make, when the argument is not going your way. It is your style, specially when you are feeling your little rum muscles. Please copy and paste where i said it was ok to export misery, or drugs if that's what you mean. You can't paste it because I didn't write it, or even come close to imply it. So again, quit being a little biatch of a liar.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 19:58:57 GMT -5
Currently 0.72 US Cents. We have something called the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. certain medicines are subsidised by the Australian governemnt. My son, is allergic to milk protein and as a result needs a special baby formula. That formula is around $50 USD for a tin. We can get the same formulae (manufactured in the Netherlands) and 8 tins for $36 Aussie thanks to the government subsidy. My wife needs hormone treatment that in Colombia was $150 USD a month here in Australia (more advanced that what we got in Colombia) subsidised cost of $28 Aus a month. Is there a legal way to have them shipped from Australia?
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 19:59:45 GMT -5
Simple solution Billy.
Just answer the question " Do you support the actions of child traffickers given that theres a market for it?" If no then you agree with me, if yes then you're abhorrent. So what is it little man.
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Post by ozgringo on May 20, 2016 20:02:18 GMT -5
Currently 0.72 US Cents. We have something called the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. certain medicines are subsidised by the Australian governemnt. My son, is allergic to milk protein and as a result needs a special baby formula. That formula is around $50 USD for a tin. We can get the same formulae (manufactured in the Netherlands) and 8 tins for $36 Aussie thanks to the government subsidy. My wife needs hormone treatment that in Colombia was $150 USD a month here in Australia (more advanced that what we got in Colombia) subsidised cost of $28 Aus a month. Is there a legal way to have them shipped from Australia? Unfortunately, no. As the only way you can get the subsidised medicine is if you need it. i.e prescribed by a specialist Dr.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 20:02:50 GMT -5
Quit being ridiculous Suba, you mealy little drunk. Where did I ever say I support child traffickers? And I very much doubt you would say that to my face. You are just making a bigger a$$ of yourself than you usually do. Have another drink and go sleep it off.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 20:06:44 GMT -5
Is there a legal way to have them shipped from Australia? Unfortunately, no. As the only way you can get the subsidised medicine is if you need it. i.e prescribed by a specialist Dr. That sucks.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 20:09:53 GMT -5
I wish I were drunk, that would make it easier to debate with Colombians who are obviously proud of holding such despicable views. It really must be instilled by the parents. Sad really, there are good people here but the loudest are those like you who upped sticks rather than confront the problem and now try to defend the whole sordid industry.
No Billy, I'm not drunk or lying or any of the other insults you drag up when you can't debate. Even if I were drunk i'd be sober in the morning and you'd still be supporting the export of misery. Similar to the Churchill quote that - (he's like our equivalent of your Escobar).
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 20:15:53 GMT -5
Give it up you lying little $hit. Everybody can read what I posted and what you are trying to insinuate. So if you are not drunk, maybe you should have a drink, since it is obvious you are suffering from deliriums.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 20:52:06 GMT -5
Someone seems to be a bit touchy about the truth emerging. It's ok, I live here, I deal with jumped up little Colombians every day. Change your views if you can't live with them.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 20:57:38 GMT -5
Yawn.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:02:11 GMT -5
Go to bed Billy, the truth fried your brain.
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 21:07:12 GMT -5
Give it up little man. You have exposed yourself as lying little $hit once again.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:09:05 GMT -5
Is this where I say, "you wouldn't say that to my face"? Nah, you're Colombian, no need.
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Post by makopp5 on May 20, 2016 21:09:43 GMT -5
suba If you use cocaine you do only damage to yourself, if you abuse children yo do damage to another person. That what I wanted to say. I'm against child abuse. But I think Colombia do not have to fight drugs, because the price is much to high for Colombia. And about child abuse in the UK, what happened with Jimmy Savile from BBC? He abused hundreds of children and every body was looking to the other side. Lots of people knew about it and just looked to the other side. Wasn't there another scandal in the high society of London too?
Here another example from the UK: A report commissioned in the wake of revelations that "at least" 1,400 children were sexually exploited in Rotherham has branded the local authority "not fit for purpose" and left it facing takeover by government commissioners. How did it reach this point?
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Post by makopp5 on May 20, 2016 21:15:52 GMT -5
suba here from Jimmy, you know him too from BBC: The report of the investigations undertaken jointly by the police and the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), Giving Victims a Voice, was published on 11 January 2013. It reported allegations covering a period of fifty years, including 214 alleged acts by Savile which, though uncorroborated, have been formally recorded as crimes, some involving children as young as eight.
50 years and nobody was saying nothing?
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Post by billyb on May 20, 2016 21:18:05 GMT -5
Google Rotherham to find out about Suba's little friends and what they are up to.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:20:20 GMT -5
"If you use cocaine you do only damage to yourself, if you abuse children yo do damage to another person.""
Tell that to the thousands of innocents killed every year by drug addicts looking for the money to get their next fix - does this stuff even register with Colombians? Are you seriously saying cocaine, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands every year only affects those at the end of the supply line.
Go and think about that and when you have I'll debate you on any subject you wish to deflect this to - including the disgusting child abuse disgrace you want to move the discussion to.
We can talk about anything, Pedro Lopez, anything.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:22:45 GMT -5
Billy, you've been discredited, now run off to bed, there's a good little boy. I should I suppose put in something about you being into child prostitution, given the things you're now saying, but I won't you are the one living with approving of such stuff.
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Post by makopp5 on May 20, 2016 21:26:04 GMT -5
suba the problem is the problem of the drug users and the society they live in, but it's not the problem of Colombia. If other countries think it's also a problem for Colombia, so they should pay for it. The drug users don't care of the Colombians who fight the drugs, so why should Colombia care of a drug user in London who kills another person in London to get his drug? That's not the problem from Colombia.
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Post by suba on May 20, 2016 21:28:37 GMT -5
At least you both me smile, I'm grateful for that. It's stereotypical I know but it really is a Colombian trait to ignore whatever hideous practices they support and to instead try and move a discussion onto something else. You really are unable to contemplate being out of sync with decent people and you'd happily bring up, say, the holocaust, and blame me for that or the sinking of the Titanic - anything other than admit to holding abhorrent viewpoints.
You enforce the rest of the worlds views of Colombians every time you open your mouths or use a keyboard.
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