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Post by dandl93 on May 18, 2016 12:04:35 GMT -5
The only Rite a person has once they are born, Is too Die. In between that time is what you make it. Really? Ever heard of the 'Bill of Rights'? Contains the 2nd amendment, btw. The 2nd amendment says you have the rite to bear arms It does not say the goverment has to give a gun to every one that wants one.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 12:05:44 GMT -5
I just blend in with the rest of the tourists;out of sight out of mind is my thinking.I make a little cash here and there no one is the wise.I put my time in;I learned what I needed to get me by.I didn't learn all of this by hanging around with gringos. I don't need a visa,unfortunately Colombia now charges Canadians a 160k fee to enter the country.This and a few other inconveniences have caused me to rethink my Colombian dream.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 12:12:31 GMT -5
Dan,it's your town,I need something I put my signature on
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Post by fishhead on May 18, 2016 12:27:59 GMT -5
Really? Ever heard of the 'Bill of Rights'? Contains the 2nd amendment, btw. The 2nd amendment says you have the rite to bear arms It does not say the goverment has to give a gun to every one that wants one. And that doesn't contradict your earlier statement how, exactly?
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Post by billyb on May 18, 2016 12:50:49 GMT -5
The only Rite a person has once they are born, Is too Die. In between that time is what you make it. Really? Ever heard of the 'Bill of Rights'? Contains the 2nd amendment, btw. Hasn't stopped the liberals from trying to take guns away and do away with second. So how much can you count on that? I agree with Dan, the only thing you can be assured in this world is death and taxes, everything else is what you make of it.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 13:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by dandl93 on May 18, 2016 14:11:08 GMT -5
The 2nd amendment says you have the rite to bear arms It does not say the goverment has to give a gun to every one that wants one. And that doesn't contradict your earlier statement how, exactly? What contradiction? Where in the Bill of Rights does it say it is a Rite that the Goverment to pay for Medical,Education,Housing,Food,Utilities etc etc etc for anyone? It does give a person the rite to persue and obtain those things if they wish.
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Post by elexpatriado on May 18, 2016 14:59:56 GMT -5
Well I think.the Canadian Medicare system is screwed up, but what I have seen, it is WAY better than the horrible Colombian system, and from what I have heard, the US system , either before or after Obamacare.
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Post by livinginmedellin on May 18, 2016 15:20:57 GMT -5
Well I think.the Canadian Medicare system is screwed up, but what I have seen, it is WAY better than the horrible Colombian system, and from what I have heard, the US system , either before or after Obamacare. I know some retired expats living in Colombia from the US that cancelled their Medicare part B and D in the US as they can get better coverage here in Colombia and medical costs are much lower in Colombia. World Health Organization (WHO) ranks the health system in Colombia as #22 globally, which is better than Canada (#30) or the US (#37). See: thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/. Nine of the best hospitals in all of Latin America are in Bogotá and eight are in Medellín. Health care costs are much lower in Colombia and if you have good local insurance (i.e. from Sura - more than EPS) you'll get good care in my experience.
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Post by fishhead on May 18, 2016 15:21:17 GMT -5
And that doesn't contradict your earlier statement how, exactly? What contradiction? Where in the Bill of Rights does it say it is a Rite that the Goverment to pay for Medical,Education,Housing,Food,Utilities etc etc etc for anyone? It does give a person the rite to persue and obtain those things if they wish. Earlier you said the ONLY right a person has is the right to die. It logically follows that this would negate the Bill of Rights (including the 2nd amendment, but that's just incidental). Now you're talking about "Medical,Education,Housing,Food,Utilities etc etc etc for anyone", as if that's what I said, which I haven't. If you believe in the right to bear arms (or the right to free speech, free assembly, due process etc.), of course that's a contradiction with your earlier statement.
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Post by dandl93 on May 18, 2016 15:27:12 GMT -5
And my comment was to gallitos comment too the rite to Medical.Reading the whole thread mite keep you up to snuff on what is happening.
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Post by fishhead on May 18, 2016 15:32:39 GMT -5
And my comment was to gallitos comment too the rite to Medical.Reading the whole thread mite keep you up to snuff on what is happening. "The only Rite a person has once they are born, Is too Die. In between that time is what you make it." That's BS. Maybe another case of you using words that don't mean what you think they mean? Misunderstanding 'only' is a bit weak, even for you.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 16:39:28 GMT -5
What does WHO know about health care in Canada,they can't even handle a zika epidemic.Let's see what else they make up to secure funding.
I find it funny when an American lectures me about being a Canadian.
Btw Bloomberg rates Canada 21st.
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Post by elexpatriado on May 18, 2016 17:10:24 GMT -5
Well I think.the Canadian Medicare system is screwed up, but what I have seen, it is WAY better than the horrible Colombian system, and from what I have heard, the US system , either before or after Obamacare. I know some retired expats living in Colombia from the US that cancelled their Medicare part B and D in the US as they can get better coverage here in Colombia and medical costs are much lower in Colombia. World Health Organization (WHO) ranks the health system in Colombia as #22 globally, which is better than Canada (#30) or the US (#37). See: thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/. Nine of the best hospitals in all of Latin America are in Bogotá and eight are in Medellín. Health care costs are much lower in Colombia and if you have good local insurance (i.e. from Sura - more than EPS) you'll get care in my experience. This is total unmitigated Crap. I have known people with relatives who have DIED because they "Fell Between the Cracks" in Colombia. Its okay for rich Expats from the uS, And what a freakin complicated ssytem to navigate..between CISBEN, EPS,Medicina Prepaga, how much "extra " you pay for citas depending which economic strata you fall in, what is included, what isnt, the "cozy" (corrupt) arrangement the Insurance Companies have with the Ministerio de Salud.. etc., etc., etc. Try phoning 125 in Colombia and see if an ambulance comes. In Canada, if your in a remote spot, they send a helicopter (they call it STARS in Alberta). Police or Ambulance or fire department come right away. You realize, apart from dental and prescripciones, all of that stuff is free to everyone who is resident Canada? And of course it varies from province to province.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 17:31:51 GMT -5
Elex,bang on,gee we're actually starting to agree on a few points Some newbies on here figure Colombia is the next greatest retirement location.They haven't been around here long enough nor remember seeing poor Colombians sleeping outside of hospitals on pieces of cardboard waiting to be admitted.Sure they'll get the best medical help that money can buy granted they have enough to check into those high priced clinics.
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Post by livinginmedellin on May 18, 2016 18:01:35 GMT -5
Elex,bang on,gee we're actually starting to agree on a few points Some newbies on here figure Colombia is the next greatest retirement location.They haven't been around here long enough nor remember seeing poor Colombians sleeping outside of hospitals on pieces of cardboard waiting to be admitted.Sure they'll get the best medical help that money can buy granted they have enough to check into those high priced clinics. I've been traveling to Colombia for over 10 years and living here for nearly 6 years and have seen the poor struggling to get admitted to hospitals in Colombia many times. But they tend to have just EPS or no health insurance. Reportedly still upwards of 15-20% in the country have no health insurance. The retired expats I know in Colombia tend to have insurance from Sura beyond EPS plus money to pay for extras so they can get better medical care, which is much cheaper than in the US.
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Post by gallito on May 18, 2016 18:53:01 GMT -5
"Reportedly still upwards of 15-20% in the country have no health insurance"
Grim statistics for a country that doesn't have enough cash to pay for the peace plan...
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Post by entonces on May 18, 2016 19:05:19 GMT -5
The only Rite a person has once they are born, Is too Die. In between that time is what you make it. Really? Ever heard of the 'Bill of Rights'? Contains the 2nd amendment, btw. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Later, we hope much later, comes the death part. Rite?
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Post by dandl93 on May 18, 2016 19:16:05 GMT -5
And my comment was to gallitos comment too the rite to Medical.Reading the whole thread mite keep you up to snuff on what is happening. "The only Rite a person has once they are born, Is too Die. In between that time is what you make it." That's BS. Maybe another case of you using words that don't mean what you think they mean? Misunderstanding 'only' is a bit weak, even for you. You like to throw out your little comments so please enlighten us. What rites do people have that come from the Bill of Rights ? Free Medical ? Free education ? Free Food ?
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Post by elexpatriado on May 18, 2016 20:03:05 GMT -5
Elex,bang on,gee we're actually starting to agree on a few points Some newbies on here figure Colombia is the next greatest retirement location.They haven't been around here long enough nor remember seeing poor Colombians sleeping outside of hospitals on pieces of cardboard waiting to be admitted.Sure they'll get the best medical help that money can buy granted they have enough to check into those high priced clinics. I've been traveling to Colombia for over 10 years and living here for nearly 6 years and have seen the poor struggling to get admitted to hospitals in Colombia many times. But they tend to have just EPS or no health insurance. Reportedly still upwards of 15-20% in the country have no health insurance. The retired expats I know in Colombia tend to have insurance from Sura beyond EPS plus money to pay for extras so they can get better medical care, which is much cheaper than in the US. Like I said, Medicare system in Canadá is screwed up but still way better than in Colombia or the US The US would have the potential if they got rid of the ambulance chasing lawyers. Something Obama or Clinton would never do , since they are freakin Lawyers themselves
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Post by billyb on May 18, 2016 20:12:52 GMT -5
I've been traveling to Colombia for over 10 years and living here for nearly 6 years and have seen the poor struggling to get admitted to hospitals in Colombia many times. But they tend to have just EPS or no health insurance. Reportedly still upwards of 15-20% in the country have no health insurance. The retired expats I know in Colombia tend to have insurance from Sura beyond EPS plus money to pay for extras so they can get better medical care, which is much cheaper than in the US. Like I said, Medicare system in Canadá is screwed up but still way better than in Colombia or the US The US would have the potential if they got rid of the ambulance chasing lawyers. Something Obama or Clinton would never do , since they are freakin Lawyers themselves Also, if they allowed insurance companies to compete across state lines, that would increase competition. It is the easiest and most common sense change that can be done right away to reduce costs. But of course, with all law makers in the pocket on ins companies, its not happening.
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Post by suba on May 18, 2016 21:14:43 GMT -5
You're comparing apples with oranges, you're comparing the free health system in Canada with the private health system in Colombia.
No health insurance in Colombia and you are in for one of the worst experiences of your life if you get sick and in Canada people regularly wait 4 years for a medical procedure and get much worse as a result.
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