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Post by scumbuster on May 6, 2016 8:00:03 GMT -5
BOGOTA – Former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, who spent 6½ years as a prisoner of FARC rebels, said on Thursday that Colombia needs unity to overcome the “dehumanization” brought on by five decades of armed conflict. Betancourt, who now lives in London and last visited Colombia six years ago, took part in a forum organized by the Good Government Foundation and the Bogota Chamber of Commerce. “More than a victim, I am a survivor of a dehumanization process,” she said, recounting some of the most dramatic episodes of her captivity in the jungle, which began in February 2002 and ended in July 2008, when she and other politicians and security force members held by the FARC were rescued in a spectacular military operation. Betancourt said the experience made her see that both captives and captors were “victims of dehumanization.” She said the current peace process between the government and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, has had a “positive effect” on the way Colombians think and talk about the armed conflict. “The time has for all of us to hug embrace each other as the Colombian family we must never cease to be,” Betancourt said to a standing ovation. laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2411558&CategoryId=12393
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Post by búfalo on May 6, 2016 8:32:16 GMT -5
Maybe begining her political career again. See if she tries the same stunt this time. Worked great for her the first time around.
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Post by avispa on May 6, 2016 14:39:42 GMT -5
Maybe the ELN can grab her.
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Post by jafo19d on May 6, 2016 15:20:40 GMT -5
Maybe the ELN can grab her. Please don't tease me with wishful thinking. When I think of that woman, the C word comes to mind.
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Post by makopp5 on May 6, 2016 15:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 16:10:42 GMT -5
It is surprising to me how much Colombians consider Ingrid Betancourt as a French citizen more than a Colombian. I mean, yes she is holding a French passport, but she's definitely Colombian to me. Colombia is her country. I personally have respect for this woman. She went through a terrible experience. I think it is incredible that she just didn't completely lose her mind. I know it is a joke, but I personally wouldn't wish anyone to be held hostage in the Colombian jungle during more than 6 years.
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Post by entonces on May 6, 2016 16:52:22 GMT -5
Along with so many others, I was relieved and happy when Ingrid was rescued. It was when I began discussing her years of trauma with Colombians in the States that I heard disparaging words. Each and every Colombian I spoke to told me that there was quite a bit more to the story and that not all of it was favorable to her. I never did get a clearer understanding of what's going on.
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Post by billforce on May 6, 2016 17:02:08 GMT -5
Wonder if she is still "shacked-up" with the Gringo from the FARC camp?
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Post by gallito on May 6, 2016 17:08:24 GMT -5
It helps to have unlimited resources to entice your captors to let you go,political clout also comes in handy;think of the oodles of dead kidnapped that didn't get out alive from these Guerilla - campos de concentracion.
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Post by makopp5 on May 6, 2016 17:42:33 GMT -5
billforce No, i don`t think so, he is in the US and she is in Europe.
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Post by billyb on May 6, 2016 17:53:49 GMT -5
She got kidnapped because of her own stupidity, political ambition and arrogance. She was warned by many not to go and capmpaign in the Caguan, but she thought it would make great campaign optics. At the last Army checkpoint before going into rebel held territory, the commander again adviced her not to go, but she demanded a helicopter and escorts, he determined and adviced her that he would not send any of his men to certain kidnapping and or death, and that all helicopters were needed for military operations and could not be spared for private political use. She decided to go anyways and got her stupid arrogant ass kidnapped. When freed she sued Colombia because she got her stupid arrogant ass kidnapped. BTW, while a captive she made common cause with the FARC against the 3 US contractors also held in same camp to get better benefits. All in all a despicable excuse for a human being. I don't know a single Colombian that has any simpathy for her. Her support seems to come more from liberal European circles. Most in US don't know who she is.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 23:44:37 GMT -5
France worked hard to get her freed up. And paid big cash.
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Post by ozgringo on May 12, 2016 1:50:09 GMT -5
As a worldly Australian I had to ask my Colombian wife who Ingrid Betancourt is. I asked my wife what she thought about her. She said it's "complicated." "One of those subjects you don't want to express an opinion on."
Thanks BillyB for filling me in.
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Post by dandl93 on May 12, 2016 5:49:43 GMT -5
France worked hard to get her freed up. And paid big cash. Every one should get what they paid for so France can keep her.She is like a gopher sticks her head up every once in awhile so she knows she is still alive,reality is she needs to stay under ground.
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Post by dandl93 on May 12, 2016 5:51:35 GMT -5
As a worldly Australian I had to ask my Colombian wife who Ingrid Betancourt is. I asked my wife what she thought about her. She said it's "complicated." "One of those subjects you don't want to express an opinion on." Thanks BillyB for filling me in. Basicly a Colombian Jane Fonda
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 11:58:53 GMT -5
France worked hard to get her freed up. And paid big cash. Every one should get what they paid for so France can keep her.She is like a gopher sticks her head up every once in awhile so she knows she is still alive,reality is she needs to stay under ground. She is actually living in Oxford, UK. She is studying theology in Harris Manchester College.
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Post by dandl93 on May 13, 2016 13:44:37 GMT -5
Every one should get what they paid for so France can keep her.She is like a gopher sticks her head up every once in awhile so she knows she is still alive,reality is she needs to stay under ground. She is actually living in Oxford, UK. She is studying theology in Harris Manchester College. Where she lives now and Who was here big backers to get her freed are not the same.European liberals are her big support group now let them keep her.She was not then or is she now good for Colombia.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 3:39:21 GMT -5
She is actually living in Oxford, UK. She is studying theology in Harris Manchester College. Where she lives now and Who was here big backers to get her freed are not the same.European liberals are her big support group now let them keep her.She was not then or is she now good for Colombia. I think that nobody or no country is "keeping" her. She is free to go and live wherever she may want. I am not a Betancourt supporter, I actually don't care much about her, but I was living in France when she got freed up and it was a big thing. I would like to make two more comments: 1. It is a tradition of France to never let any French national kidnapped. I think it is an honourable way to treat its citizens, and I am happy to think that if anything of that sort happens to me, my country won't let me down. 2. A lot of people say Betancourt was a fool and that her foolishness put herself in that situation. I do agree with that. Still, I can understand that a Presidential candidate may want to be able to go in ANY part of his country to campaign. I believe it is a noble thinking, but that do not apply to Colombia. In other words she was full of idealism and short of realism. I believe it is very sad that a country doesn't put all the necessary measures to protect ANY candidate. That's what a real democracy would do. But then again we're talking about Colombia.
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Post by billyb on May 15, 2016 10:06:04 GMT -5
In theory you are correct. But at the time El Caguan was a battle zone, and Ingrid wanted resources, like helicopters and escorts pulled from military use and be put at her disposal. That would have wrong for the milutary to do. And it showed what a selfish and self absorve b#%ch she is. She wanted to put the life of the escorts she demanded in danger, they would have been to few and lightly armed to defend themselves, or her, from the FARC. In the end the only ones at fault for her insistance on going in, were ger and the FARC.
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Post by billyb on May 15, 2016 10:06:57 GMT -5
In theory you are correct. But at the time El Caguan was a battle zone, and Ingrid wanted resources, like helicopters and escorts pulled from military use and be put at her disposal. That would have wrong for the milutary to do. And it showed what a selfish and self absorved b#%ch she is. She wanted to put the life of the escorts she demanded, in danger, as they would have been to few and too lightly armed to defend themselves, or her, from the FARC. In the end the only ones at fault for her insistance on going in, were ger and the FARC.
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Post by búfalo on May 15, 2016 11:51:06 GMT -5
Can you imagine any old D-bag decides to run for president and then demands all that?
We all can run for president, who wants a copter escort?
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Post by billyb on May 15, 2016 11:56:22 GMT -5
What pisses me off the most, was her total disregard to what would happen to her escort when captured by the FARC. They would have been tortured and or killed, and they wouldn't have had France offering millions to ransom them out.
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