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Post by dannyboy on Apr 7, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the How to Expat relocation services? These youngsters promote heavily in Youtube videos.
Give me a break - $690 USD is overpriced and a Gringo Price for a service that only includes:
- Finding an Apartment
- Neighborhood Tour
- Visa Assessment
- 2h Spanish Classes
- 2h Customized Service
BUT!!!
Finding an apartment - any real estate agency will show you apartments for free. Visa assessment - any visa agency will meet with you to discuss and assess your visa options for free. 2 hr Spanish classes - what value is this? And they will just be trying to up-sell more classes. Instead, go to a language exchange for free. 2 hr customized service - what is this? More pushing things so they can up-sell you on something else. Neighborhood tour - a few hour neighborhood tour is a joke, you need to spend much more time in neighborhoods to get to know them. And you could hire a private driver for a full day for less < $100.
So I could do this all for under $100 with most things being free. And How to Expat is charging a $690 Gringo Price and "claims" it will provide "savings of $3,500 in Gringo Prices In 6 Months: rent, multiple Taxi rides, food, groceries.." What a joke.
Does anyone else see these How to Expat service as a huge rip-off that is taking advantage of newbie expats?
There is even a thread about this in the comments at the end of this article about Gringo Pricing, note one of those comments is mine - medellinguru.com/gringo-pricing/
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Post by barrumundi on Apr 8, 2019 9:13:26 GMT -5
We have all been newbies at one stage and most of us have some interesting stories to tell about the problems we endured ..... but isn't that part of living in Colombia? If everything was handed to you on a plate where would the adventure be?
If there are newbies out there that would be stupid enough to fall for a scam like this ....then. they deserve the consequences.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 8, 2019 9:55:25 GMT -5
We have all been newbies at one stage and most of us have some interesting stories to tell about the problems we endured ..... but isn't that part of living in Colombia? If everything was handed to you on a plate where would the adventure be? If there are newbies out there that would be stupid enough to fall for a scam like this ....then. they deserve the consequences. Yes, I agree. If stupid enough to use How to Expat's scam with Gringo-priced relocation services for many things you can find for free, deserve the consequences. Are there really newbies so naive that they would fall for this?
These youngsters have been here less than a year and the video I saw they live in a tiny apartment. So, would you trust them to advise you about relocating to Medellin AND Bogotá AND Santa Marta. DUH!!!
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Post by buenopues on Apr 8, 2019 11:15:54 GMT -5
Tell them you are insulted by the proposal and that you have warned other potencial expats on Colombia and Medellin forums about them.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 8, 2019 16:52:48 GMT -5
Tell them you are insulted by the proposal and that you have warned other potencial expats on Colombia and Medellin forums about them. I sent them a message that I am insulted and feel their offer is a scam taking advantage of newbies with a link to this thread.
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Post by buenopues on Apr 8, 2019 17:51:04 GMT -5
Good work.
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Post by bob88 on Apr 8, 2019 19:38:22 GMT -5
I don't really see a problem with the service. Moving to Colombia can be a rough transition for newcomers, if someone is willing to make it more convenient, I see it as a win-win. I do think the pricing is pretty steep, however, find me a service for gringos that's competitive with local pricing. I see it as supply and demand. When I moved to Colombia, I had a trustworthy friend who spoke English and helped with a lot of small and big things. Without this friend, it would have taken me a lot longer to adjust and understand local customs and slang. I learned things that seem like common sense now but I wouldn't have thought of when I arrived. Such as 'no dar papaya', who not to trust, where not to go, common rental scams/issues etc. All without having to learn it the hard way. If there is a service offering what my friend offered me for a fee, I think it would be helpful for a big segment of gringos who don't want to risk taking on the country themselves. There's only so much that blogs and forums about Colombia can teach you. I've found that even gringo's who have been living in Colombia for a while have been somewhat clueless about a lot of what goes on here, probably because of the language/culture gap. Whereas a local that speaks English is a much more valuable asset, even just to be able to ask them random questions like "why are all these people doing fireworks at 3 am on a weeknight in Poblado, is this common?"
Sure, there's cheaper ways of doing everything, but I'd rather not do my own such as oil changes, taxes, or making a delicious confit de canard. I'd rather pay someone than go through the trouble of figuring out how to do it myself.
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Post by búfalo on Apr 8, 2019 20:14:24 GMT -5
Why would one move to Colombia or anywhere, in that fashion, without knowing about the place first?
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 8, 2019 20:42:37 GMT -5
I don't really see a problem with the service. Moving to Colombia can be a rough transition for newcomers, if someone is willing to make it more convenient, I see it as a win-win. I do think the pricing is pretty steep, however, find me a service for gringos that's competitive with local pricing. I see it as supply and demand. When I moved to Colombia, I had a trustworthy friend who spoke English and helped with a lot of small and big things. Without this friend, it would have taken me a lot longer to adjust and understand local customs and slang. I learned things that seem like common sense now but I wouldn't have thought of when I arrived. Such as 'no dar papaya', who not to trust, where not to go, common rental scams/issues etc. All without having to learn it the hard way. If there is a service offering what my friend offered me for a fee, I think it would be helpful for a big segment of gringos who don't want to risk taking on the country themselves. There's only so much that blogs and forums about Colombia can teach you. I've found that even gringo's who have been living in Colombia for a while have been somewhat clueless about a lot of what goes on here, probably because of the language/culture gap. Whereas a local that speaks English is a much more valuable asset, even just to be able to ask them random questions like "why are all these people doing fireworks at 3 am on a weeknight in Poblado, is this common?"
Sure, there's cheaper ways of doing everything, but I'd rather not do my own such as oil changes, taxes, or making a delicious confit de canard. I'd rather pay someone than go through the trouble of figuring out how to do it myself.
The issue is they are packaging local services that are free or low cost and adding on a BIG GRINGO price. For example, they partnered with a law firm to do the visa assessment who will end up charging a higher price as a law firm for processing a visa than the visa agencies on top of the $690 USD getting settled price charged by How to Expat. Visa agencies will do a visa assessment for free and have a lower charge for processing a visa.
Also, they partnered with a real estate agent for finding an apartment but all real estate agencies in Colombia will show apartments for free. And a 2 hr Spanish class from a Spanish school that will up-sell for longer-term classes and would likely offer a 2 hr teaser class for low cost or free.
Bottom line is a newbie could easily find all the components of the package for free or low cost and do it themselves. Simply post questions on the big Medellin Facebook groups or go to one of the big expat meetups like Internations or Medellin Guru and could easily find contacts for everything in that Gringo-priced package - visa agencies, health insurance brokers, real estate agencies, Spanish schools...
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 8, 2019 21:21:29 GMT -5
I spent about 10 minutes Google searching and essentially found everything in How to Expat's $1,070 Premium relocation package for free or relatively low cost.
My total cost = $254 but with more Spanish class time (10 hours) and this took only about 10 minutes...
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Post by caliorbust on Apr 9, 2019 8:40:42 GMT -5
Dannyboy, why don't you give these guys some competition, steer them toward all those services you just listed and cut their costs in half, say you charge them $500. You would meet new people, make friends and have something to do that will keep you out of the bars, LOL.
There is one thing you seem to take lightly for a newly arrived expat though and that is finding an apartment. There are very few apartments rented out by their owners. Almost all of them go through a real estate agency or an attorney. They will insist on a 'fiador' often two who will guaranty that the rent and possible damages are paid. This not only involves a signature but surrender of the real estate title as collateral for the time of rental contract. As if this isn't enough they also insist on verification of steady employment. Than they will collect rental applications, sometimes for months and charge each applicant between $10 and $20 as a non-returnable approval fee, added income for them. Private rentals will sometimes take 3 or 6 months in advance but they may also insist on a fiador. Retired gringos are seen as an additional risk by many because they could just pack up and leave the country in the middle of the contract while Colombians are usually stuck here. I can just see a gringo with barely any Spanish nor being familiar with the customs here driving himself crazy trying to find an apartment.
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Post by bob88 on Apr 9, 2019 8:43:46 GMT -5
dannyboy I get what you're saying and it's true that there are definitely much cheaper options and ways of doing things. However, I'm just trying to see things from the perspective of a gringo doesn't want to waste time with legwork and just wants a one-stop shop to get him settled into the city. I'm sure there is a demand for this for many cities all over the world, and gringos would be willing to pay decent prices for such a convenience. For example, if a busy couple from Chicago with decent income and little time is visiting Rome, they will more than likely hire a tour agency to show them everything Rome has to offer. They could technically due all the research themselves and learn a little italian, find good restaurants, learn about the transportation system, find out what areas to avoid, etc. However, there is a large group of people that don't want to do this even if that means saving hundreds of Euros. These people would rather just find a one-stop shop to give them the best intro to the city possible. You could even say the same thing about a Visa agency. Technically a person can do everything themselves since all of the information is online. You can read the laws (in Spanish) and contact the Colombian embassy in your country for more details. You can post on forums and read older forum posts about how to go about applying. However, a lot of people don't want to risk doing it themselves and would rather hand it off to an expert. I see it as a fair trade. I personally would opt to doing everything myself as I think it's part of the learning experience when moving to a new city. However, I don't blame people who seek the help from an agency. If both parties are happy in the end, I don't see an issue.
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Post by elexpatriado on Apr 9, 2019 8:55:18 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the How to Expat relocation services? These youngsters promote heavily in Youtube videos.
Give me a break - $690 USD is overpriced and a Gringo Price for a service that only includes:
- Finding an Apartment
- Neighborhood Tour
- Visa Assessment
- 2h Spanish Classes
- 2h Customized Service
BUT!!!
Finding an apartment - any real estate agency will show you apartments for free. Visa assessment - any visa agency will meet with you to discuss and assess your visa options for free. 2 hr Spanish classes - what value is this? And they will just be trying to up-sell more classes. Instead, go to a language exchange for free. 2 hr customized service - what is this? More pushing things so they can up-sell you on something else. Neighborhood tour - a few hour neighborhood tour is a joke, you need to spend much more time in neighborhoods to get to know them. And you could hire a private driver for a full day for less < $100.
So I could do this all for under $100 with most things being free. And How to Expat is charging a $690 Gringo Price and "claims" it will provide "savings of $3,500 in Gringo Prices In 6 Months: rent, multiple Taxi rides, food, groceries.." What a joke.
Does anyone else see these How to Expat service as a huge rip-off that is taking advantage of newbie expats?
There is even a thread about this in the comments at the end of this article about Gringo Pricing, note one of those comments is mine - medellinguru.com/gringo-pricing/
Lots and lots of "Newbies" of all shapes and sizes ..old , young, couples, naive, well travelled, Spanish literate or not,coming into Medellin recently..either as tourists or to "live" more permanently Most of the guys I know who have been there long term (5 to 20 years) are thinking of moving out because of traffic, too many foreigners, crime getting worse, spoiled and greedy Paisa girls..and most significantly, the very health damaging air polution.... I myself left there years ago...and will do my utmost to avoid going back except for visits..
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 9, 2019 9:15:22 GMT -5
Dannyboy, why don't you give these guys some competition, steer them toward all those services you just listed and cut their costs in half, say you charge them $500. You would meet new people, make friends and have something to do that will keep you out of the bars, LOL. There is one thing you seem to take lightly for a newly arrived expat though and that is finding an apartment. There are very few apartments rented out by their owners. Almost all of them go through a real estate agency or an attorney. They will insist on a 'fiador' often two who will guaranty that the rent and possible damages are paid. This not only involves a signature but surrender of the real estate title as collateral for the time of rental contract. As if this isn't enough they also insist on verification of steady employment. Than they will collect rental applications, sometimes for months and charge each applicant between $10 and $20 as a non-returnable approval fee, added income for them. Private rentals will sometimes take 3 or 6 months in advance but they may also insist on a fiador. Retired gringos are seen as an additional risk by many because they could just pack up and leave the country in the middle of the contract while Colombians are usually stuck here. I can just see a gringo with barely any Spanish nor being familiar with the customs here driving himself crazy trying to find an apartment. Thanks but I don't want to spend the time to build a website or Youtube following. Perhaps Medellin Guru would want to compete with these youngsters.
It is now easier than you think to find an unfurnished apartment to rent. I rented from an agency recently and did not need a fiador. Most agencies will now rent to foreigners with a CDT security deposit. I found the process relatively easy.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 9, 2019 11:15:02 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the How to Expat relocation services? These youngsters promote heavily in Youtube videos.
Give me a break - $690 USD is overpriced and a Gringo Price for a service that only includes:
- Finding an Apartment
- Neighborhood Tour
- Visa Assessment
- 2h Spanish Classes
- 2h Customized Service
BUT!!!
Finding an apartment - any real estate agency will show you apartments for free. Visa assessment - any visa agency will meet with you to discuss and assess your visa options for free. 2 hr Spanish classes - what value is this? And they will just be trying to up-sell more classes. Instead, go to a language exchange for free. 2 hr customized service - what is this? More pushing things so they can up-sell you on something else. Neighborhood tour - a few hour neighborhood tour is a joke, you need to spend much more time in neighborhoods to get to know them. And you could hire a private driver for a full day for less < $100.
So I could do this all for under $100 with most things being free. And How to Expat is charging a $690 Gringo Price and "claims" it will provide "savings of $3,500 in Gringo Prices In 6 Months: rent, multiple Taxi rides, food, groceries.." What a joke.
Does anyone else see these How to Expat service as a huge rip-off that is taking advantage of newbie expats?
There is even a thread about this in the comments at the end of this article about Gringo Pricing, note one of those comments is mine - medellinguru.com/gringo-pricing/
Lots and lots of "Newbies" of all shapes and sizes ..old , young, couples, naive, well travelled, Spanish literate or not,coming into Medellin recently..either as tourists or to "live" more permanently Most of the guys I know who have been there long term (5 to 20 years) are thinking of moving out because of traffic, too many foreigners, crime getting worse, spoiled and greedy Paisa girls..and most significantly, the very health damaging air polution.... I myself left there years ago...and will do my utmost to avoid going back except for visits.. Too many foreigners in Medellín? In my experience only in Parque Lleras aka Parque Gringos
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Post by jabberwocky on Apr 9, 2019 18:11:10 GMT -5
Lot more tourists /ex pats than before but if you get away from Poblado and a couple areas in Luarales - you won't see too many - but if you are a gringo and are lonely for your fellow countryman - you can check out the gringo trail - ave Poblado from Parque Poblado to Santa Fe mall - always lots of foreigners walking - but I would assume most are tourists /visitors vs expats/. My old neighborhood in Envigado which I still return to 3-4 times a year to visit family - have never seen another expat The agency thing is another reason to choose small town ( or small city living ) come up with first months rent and maybe 1 month deposit and your in most everywhere ( at a lot cheaper price than Medellin)
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Post by búfalo on Apr 11, 2019 8:14:32 GMT -5
I liked seeing only one or so once a year. Now there's Starbucks even.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 11, 2019 10:49:01 GMT -5
I spent about 10 minutes Google searching and essentially found everything in How to Expat's $1,070 Premium relocation package for free or relatively low cost.
My total cost = $254 but with more Spanish class time (10 hours) and this took only about 10 minutes...
I went to dinner with a friend last night and told him about this and his comment was that is over 400% more expensive. Basically How to Expat is taking local services and increasing the price over four times. Nice profit for them of over $800! So, this is a good example of GRINGO PRICING and taking advantage of newbies.
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Post by Luther Blissett on Apr 11, 2019 10:57:14 GMT -5
It is pretty evident that there are more scrooge-like gringos than gringo prices in Colombia.
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Post by jabberwocky on Apr 11, 2019 10:59:01 GMT -5
As more Americans look to move to Colombia - services will start up up to fill a need - even if vastly overpriced - it used to take a little work, feet on the ground and some Spanish ability for an ex=pat to move to Colombia ( Medellin) its a lot easier now with English speaking visa services, relocation services , overpriced furnished apartments , even delivery services for your food shopping - a bit like CR or Panama - I don't think Colombia will ever get to quite their level - Colombia has 10x the people and much bigger so it can absorb a lot more expats before makes much of a dent - however certain areas can be affected - mostly in Medellin - Pobaldo for example = but even then most of the foreign money flowing in to buy apartments come from Colombians who live outside Colombia - many buying property for rental purposes or helping family buy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 14:05:41 GMT -5
Not sure what the problem is here? They put a package together and they put a price on it.-Take it or leave it! A market is where a buyer and seller meet. Funny how the starter of this thread will pump the Medellin Guru site but makes no mention of their mention of foreign owned RE and legal firms that put expats to sleep for a lot more than a few hundred dollars.(and that's ok if their customers are happy for the value they receive). So be it but just seems to speak volumes. People can charge what they want and buyers can decide for themselves. I guess expats are stupid and need a guide to everything-the airport, the mall, and where to find sub par food. Too funny..
BOTTOM LINE A little ballacious to think you can dictate the terms of a free market-perhaps you are the GURU..
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Post by tubes on Apr 11, 2019 15:23:20 GMT -5
The arguments here are that these services are preying on the uninformed, over-spending outsiders; as do so many residents.
A move to any country is a huge undertaking and it horrifies me to see how many people think that they only have to show up with a pocket full of dollars without doing any basic research.
A quick scan through a site like this and most of their questions would be answered.
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Post by gallito on Apr 11, 2019 21:02:43 GMT -5
You can get by on your own in Colombia,some of you don't speak Spanish. In many cases being married to a Colombiana helps if you can't think for yourself your a lost cause.Call it gringo pricing,everyone has their price todo depende el marrano.
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Post by barrumundi on Apr 12, 2019 2:06:37 GMT -5
It all depends on your own levels of laziness and and adventurousness. The more lazy is the more costly. Scrooging can be fun and a learning experience but can come with pitfalls.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 12, 2019 13:53:39 GMT -5
The arguments here are that these services are preying on the uninformed, over-spending outsiders; as do so many residents. A move to any country is a huge undertaking and it horrifies me to see how many people think that they only have to show up with a pocket full of dollars without doing any basic research. A quick scan through a site like this and most of their questions would be answered. Yes, How to Expat is definitely preying on the uniformed with their overpriced relocation services. They are combining local services that are free or cheap and easy to find on the Internet and adding on a HUGE GRINGO PRICE that makes their price over 400 percent higher.
Also, what qualifies these two youngsters from Switzerland who have lived in Colombia for less than a year and live in a tiny apartment to make recommendations to foreigners moving to Medellín? In addition I have seen them use at least one fake name posting to Facebook groups all the time: "Sam Fromaway" (not his real name, which is Sam Rollin) and they post many videos on YouTube and the few videos I have seen are full of errors.
It's totally ironic that they talk about "Gringo Pricing" all the time in their videos but it's actually their rip-off services that are "Gringo Priced".
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Post by jafo19d on Apr 12, 2019 17:13:04 GMT -5
Nice margin but how many customers do they actually get.
When my command moved me to Japan they had an outrageous service. They sent me to Tokyo for 2 weeks. The first week was strictly work and I was alone. The second week they flew my wife out (biz class), picked her up, and for a week drive her everywhere looking at houses/apartments and schools.
Back stateside they gave the entire family Japanese classes for a few months. Once we actually moved they again did everything for us including moving some of our stateside furniture (storing the rest) and renting what we needed. They baby sat us for a few weeks to make sure we were ok. I can’t even imagine how much that all cost.
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Post by elexpatriado on Apr 12, 2019 18:19:33 GMT -5
Nice margin but how many customers do they actually get. When my command moved me to Japan they had an outrageous service. They sent me to Tokyo for 2 weeks. The first week was strictly work and I was alone. The second week they flew my wife out (biz class), picked her up, and for a week drive her everywhere looking at houses/apartments and schools. Back stateside they gave the entire family Japanese classes for a few months. Once we actually moved they again did everything for us including moving some of our stateside furniture (storing the rest) and renting what we needed. They baby sat us for a few weeks to make sure we were ok. I can’t even imagine how much that all cost. I agree with Ermo. A lot of Tacaño gringos out there. If you dont like the service, dont use it, send your complaint e-mail to them and Ya-calla su boca
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 13, 2019 8:06:07 GMT -5
Nice margin but how many customers do they actually get. When my command moved me to Japan they had an outrageous service. They sent me to Tokyo for 2 weeks. The first week was strictly work and I was alone. The second week they flew my wife out (biz class), picked her up, and for a week drive her everywhere looking at houses/apartments and schools. Back stateside they gave the entire family Japanese classes for a few months. Once we actually moved they again did everything for us including moving some of our stateside furniture (storing the rest) and renting what we needed. They baby sat us for a few weeks to make sure we were ok. I can’t even imagine how much that all cost. With that obscene margin, probably not many customers. And what happens when a customer has been here a while and comes to realize everything in the relocation package they bought is available for free or much lower prices?
How to Expat takes existing local services available for free or low prices and adds on their huge gringo margin. Also, their relocation package doesn't look to provide much baby sitting as they outsource to local services.
So they are now hiding their outrageous prices and not being transparent with their gringo prices for their packages. Perhaps they have seen all the negative comments here. But $24 per hour is HIGH for Colombia wages. The minimum salary in Colombia is only 828,116 pesos per month in 2019, which is $266 per month or less than $2 per hour.
Also, some of the local services they include are free and they are charging $24 per hour. For example, they use a real estate agent to help clients find apartments but real estate agents in Colombia show apartments for free. So, How to Expat is taking something that is free and charging $24 per hour, which is absurd. They want clients to essentially pay a real estate agent to find an apartment as part of their package. LMAO at the gall they have to take something that is free and charge $24 per hour.
I personally hate seeing foreigners being taken advantage of and this is the absolute worst I have seen - it's a service targeting newbie foreigners that would be stupid enough to fall for a scam like this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 10:04:01 GMT -5
Nice margin but how many customers do they actually get. When my command moved me to Japan they had an outrageous service. They sent me to Tokyo for 2 weeks. The first week was strictly work and I was alone. The second week they flew my wife out (biz class), picked her up, and for a week drive her everywhere looking at houses/apartments and schools. Back stateside they gave the entire family Japanese classes for a few months. Once we actually moved they again did everything for us including moving some of our stateside furniture (storing the rest) and renting what we needed. They baby sat us for a few weeks to make sure we were ok. I can’t even imagine how much that all cost. With that obscene margin, probably not many customers. And what happens when a customer has been here a while and comes to realize everything in the relocation package they bought is available for free or much lower prices?
How to Expat takes existing local services available for free or low prices and adds on their huge gringo margin. Also, their relocation package doesn't look to provide much baby sitting as they outsource to local services.
So they are now hiding their outrageous prices and not being transparent with their gringo prices for their packages. Perhaps they have seen all the negative comments here. But $24 per hour is HIGH for Colombia wages. The minimum salary in Colombia is only 828,116 pesos per month in 2019, which is $266 per month or less than $2 per hour.
Also, some of the local services they include are free and they are charging $24 per hour. For example, they use a real estate agent to help clients find apartments but real estate agents in Colombia show apartments for free. So, How to Expat is taking something that is free and charging $24 per hour, which is absurd. They want clients to essentially pay a real estate agent to find an apartment as part of their package. LMAO at the gall they have to take something that is free and charge $24 per hour.
I personally hate seeing foreigners being taken advantage of and this is the absolute worst I have seen - it's a service targeting newbie foreigners that would be stupid enough to fall for a scam like this.
Dannyboy your argument is nonsense. Pay for services that you think cost 800 dollars too much or buy an apartment and overpay 20k. Grow up, its none of your business if people like this service and are willing to pay for it. But thank you for trying to save the world.
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Post by dannyboy on Apr 13, 2019 10:44:07 GMT -5
With that obscene margin, probably not many customers. And what happens when a customer has been here a while and comes to realize everything in the relocation package they bought is available for free or much lower prices?
How to Expat takes existing local services available for free or low prices and adds on their huge gringo margin. Also, their relocation package doesn't look to provide much baby sitting as they outsource to local services.
So they are now hiding their outrageous prices and not being transparent with their gringo prices for their packages. Perhaps they have seen all the negative comments here. But $24 per hour is HIGH for Colombia wages. The minimum salary in Colombia is only 828,116 pesos per month in 2019, which is $266 per month or less than $2 per hour.
Also, some of the local services they include are free and they are charging $24 per hour. For example, they use a real estate agent to help clients find apartments but real estate agents in Colombia show apartments for free. So, How to Expat is taking something that is free and charging $24 per hour, which is absurd. They want clients to essentially pay a real estate agent to find an apartment as part of their package. LMAO at the gall they have to take something that is free and charge $24 per hour.
I personally hate seeing foreigners being taken advantage of and this is the absolute worst I have seen - it's a service targeting newbie foreigners that would be stupid enough to fall for a scam like this.
Dannyboy your argument is nonsense. Pay for services that you think cost 800 dollars too much or buy an apartment and overpay 20k. Grow up, its none of your business if people like this service and are willing to pay for it. But thank you for trying to save the world. Why is it nonsense to try to make people aware of a service that I feel is a scam taking advantage of newbies?
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