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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 22:13:24 GMT -5
1 block from Tesoro Mall saw 4 guys on Moto's surround a car holding guns, grabbed what they could and took off. Just all too common here in Medellin. Thank God no one got shot. Always much different to watch these things live as opposed to reading about. Anyone know the cost to bullet proof a car in Colombia?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 22:36:59 GMT -5
1 block from Tesoro Mall saw 4 guys on Moto's surround a car holding guns, grabbed what they could and took off. Just all too common here in Medellin. Thank God no one got shot. Always much different to watch these things live as opposed to reading about. Anyone know the cost to bullet proof a car in Colombia? A selection of used armored cars listado.tucarro.com.co/otros-vehiculos/carros-blindados/
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Post by ozgringo on Aug 27, 2016 23:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by livinginmedellin on Aug 28, 2016 6:55:08 GMT -5
1 block from Tesoro Mall saw 4 guys on Moto's surround a car holding guns, grabbed what they could and took off. Just all too common here in Medellin. Thank God no one got shot. Always much different to watch these things live as opposed to reading about. Anyone know the cost to bullet proof a car in Colombia? I assume these 4 guys were on 2 motos. IMHO it was so dumb that Medellín lifted the ban on male passengers on motos in August last year. Duh ... shootings and robberies will go up and they'll just have to reinstate the ban again. As far as I know only Envigado is the only municipality in the metro area in Medellín that still has a ban on male passengers on motos - colombiaconnection.freeforums.net/thread/1896/envigado-prohibits-male-passengers-motos.
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Post by scumbuster on Aug 28, 2016 13:09:01 GMT -5
If I could afford one of these I would hope they try something.. LOL They would end up a blotch on my bumper or sandwiched between my car and the next.
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Post by sedelen on Aug 29, 2016 9:09:25 GMT -5
1 block from Tesoro Mall saw 4 guys on Moto's surround a car holding guns, grabbed what they could and took off. Just all too common here in Medellin. Thank God no one got shot. Always much different to watch these things live as opposed to reading about. Anyone know the cost to bullet proof a car in Colombia? I think I'd look at life here very differently if I witnessed that, I'm sure it makes a very lasting impression. I've been here over a year now and haven't witnessed anything other than vehicle accidents, after the fact. Everything else has been on the news.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 9:24:52 GMT -5
1 block from Tesoro Mall saw 4 guys on Moto's surround a car holding guns, grabbed what they could and took off. Just all too common here in Medellin. Thank God no one got shot. Always much different to watch these things live as opposed to reading about. Anyone know the cost to bullet proof a car in Colombia? I think I'd look at life here very differently if I witnessed that, I'm sure it makes a very lasting impression. I've been here over a year now and haven't witnessed anything other than vehicle accidents, after the fact. Everything else has been on the news. Colombia, "The only risk is wanting to stay", and of course being shot. Having grown up in Philadelphia in the 70's I've seen my fair share of dead bodies, but to see the live action does leave a lasting impression. Be prepared, if you stay here for awhile you will witness a robbery via gun point.
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Post by coolcoil on Aug 29, 2016 9:27:48 GMT -5
If I could afford one of these I would hope they try something.. LOL They would end up a blotch on my bumper or sandwiched between my car and the next. I was surprised to see that the premium for a class III car was much lower than I expected. When I was shopping three years ago, I was left with the impression that armoring at least doubles the cost of a car. From what these guys had on their website, it looks to me to be a 25 to 35% or so add. That said, if I found myself in this situation in an armored car, I'd be wondering how much I could trust that the protection level is what they say it is.
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Post by billyb on Aug 29, 2016 10:18:06 GMT -5
Ask the seller to let you do a live demo on the armoring, and open up on it. If nothing else, you will release a lot of stress.
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Post by jabberwocky on Aug 29, 2016 11:13:25 GMT -5
I had an armed car jacking happen 10 feet in front of me in Panama City - I was walking back to my apartment at about 4pm on a good street in a good sector, car stops just in front of me, guy with a hand gun jumps out - I was the only gringo around - figured he was after me, but crossed the street and stuck the gun in the face of a woman trying to park her car, she was waiting for the security gate to open for her building.
It happened very quickly - almost no time to react - over in 20 seconds or so, I think you need to have a mindset that if it happens to you just to quickly give up your stuff and let the bad guy go on his way.
The funny thing in Panama, the bad guy got the women out of the car - he jumps in and has to reverse but can't figure out the shifting - took him a couple of minutes to finally get the car in gear - maybe next time he boosted a automatic.
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 29, 2016 11:13:57 GMT -5
Dont see that in Manizales very often, I can tell you.
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Post by makopp5 on Aug 29, 2016 19:58:42 GMT -5
I was surprised to see that the premium for a class III car was much lower than I expected. When I was shopping three years ago, I was left with the impression that armoring at least doubles the cost of a car. From what these guys had on their website, it looks to me to be a 25 to 35% or so add. That said, if I found myself in this situation in an armored car, I'd be wondering how much I could trust that the protection level is what they say it is. coolcoil yes, it depends. the most important think is to stay i the car. The father of some friends of mine got once attacked in his car, 90 shots and none got in. The car builder wanted it back as a proof of quality. This was a longer time ago in the hotter times in Medellin.
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Post by ozgringo on Aug 29, 2016 21:23:39 GMT -5
According to this article colombiareports.com/homicides-colombia-medellin-mayor/ Medellin homicide rate is up this year. Not sure how accurate the article is none the less a worrying trend. I was under the impression that Medellin security situation was improving. Anecdotally, my wife's family and friends in Cartagena say that public security is not improving. They are definitely seeing more robberies.
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Post by suba on Aug 29, 2016 21:35:26 GMT -5
Virtually every Colombian I speak to says that security is going down the pan. The current political thinking seems to be hoping they'll all turn into good people if left to get on with business.
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Post by wildstubby on Aug 29, 2016 21:53:47 GMT -5
That is sad about Cartagena. I really enjoyed that city. I would think that with the tourism building up there that would be incentive to squash any kind of crime. Cartagena has become a stop for the cruise ships before they transit the Panama Canal.
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Post by gallito on Aug 29, 2016 22:13:07 GMT -5
I cringe every-time I see those armoured cars picking up cash while I'm inside hitting up the ATM. Those mean pump shotguns look like they could rain lead at short range. Maybe I should open a Miguel Caballero clothing franchise for new expats
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 0:07:50 GMT -5
I cringe every-time I see those armoured cars picking up cash while I'm inside hitting up the ATM. Those mean pump shotguns look like they could rain lead at short range. Ah! I thought I was the only one concerned by these pump shotguns. I always get nervous when there are some cash transport operations close to me. I usually leave the area. Am I overly cautious? I was already doing that in France and keep with the habit here.
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Post by dandl93 on Aug 30, 2016 7:06:43 GMT -5
Cringe Be scared of what you cant see, not what you can see.... Those Pump Shotguns sell for 4 million with out papers.When I see those Armoured Car guys I always wonder how cheap they would lose one into my pickup.
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 30, 2016 7:17:15 GMT -5
Virtually every Colombian I speak to says that security is going down the pan. The current political thinking seems to be hoping they'll all turn into good people if left to get on with business. Colombians, like m ost humans, are great at complaining and turning themselves into victims..
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 30, 2016 7:18:59 GMT -5
I cringe every-time I see those armoured cars picking up cash while I'm inside hitting up the ATM. Those mean pump shotguns look like they could rain lead at short range. Maybe I should open a Miguel Caballero clothing franchise for new expats THats Just your "Nervous Nellie" Canadian Nanny State side coming out...
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Post by wildstubby on Aug 30, 2016 7:41:05 GMT -5
A sawed-off shot gun is very effective at close range. Also, the muzzle blast is an added effect. Depending where they are hit, the intended target may not die, but their advancement will certainly be hampered. Also, unless someone is a battle veteran, that blast will scare the beejeezus out of anyone to the point they will turn tail and run. Only a well thought out and planned attack will one-up these guys. I will confess though, I thought the Caribineri in Italy were pretty intimidating with that Uzi slung from their shoulder!
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Post by suba on Aug 30, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -5
Virtually every Colombian I speak to says that security is going down the pan. The current political thinking seems to be hoping they'll all turn into good people if left to get on with business. Colombians, like m ost humans, are great at complaining and turning themselves into victims.. elex From what you post it would appear that you think the opposite and believe all the crime stats are wrong and security is improving. If that's the case there are two possibilities.. 1 You've never actually been to Colombia, or 2 You are just trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 9:41:38 GMT -5
Colombians, like m ost humans, are great at complaining and turning themselves into victims.. elex From what you post it would appear that you think the opposite and believe all the crime stats are wrong and security is improving. If that's the case there are two possibilities.. 1 You've never actually been to Colombia, or 2 You are just trolling. You can be as careful as possible, aware, a bad ass, etc.-but in Colombia you can quickly become a victim of a violent crime at any time. There is little to no Police protection and an abundance of people who are willing to take advantage of that fact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 10:59:42 GMT -5
A sawed-off shot gun is very effective at close range. Also, the muzzle blast is an added effect. Depending where they are hit, the intended target may not die, but their advancement will certainly be hampered. Also, unless someone is a battle veteran, that blast will scare the beejeezus out of anyone to the point they will turn tail and run. Only a well thought out and planned attack will one-up these guys. I will confess though, I thought the Caribineri in Italy were pretty intimidating with that Uzi slung from their shoulder! About Italy, that is, until you hear their national anthem and then you think it's a circus parade.
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Post by gallito on Aug 30, 2016 11:00:41 GMT -5
I cringe every-time I see those armoured cars picking up cash while I'm inside hitting up the ATM. Those mean pump shotguns look like they could rain lead at short range. Maybe I should open a Miguel Caballero clothing franchise for new expats THats Just your "Nervous Nellie" Canadian Nanny State side coming out... elex you're like a sliver or a wart that won't go away! I did a stint in the reserves and handled my fare share of rifles... weapons don't scare me it's the unstable people holding them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:00:54 GMT -5
Cringe Be scared of what you cant see, not what you can see.... Those Pump Shotguns sell for 4 million with out papers.When I see those Armoured Car guys I always wonder how cheap they would lose one into my pickup. I am not afraid of the shotgun itself, I am concerned about a sudden attack and being caught in cross fire. This kind of shotgun is not of the highest precision.
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Post by gallito on Aug 30, 2016 11:04:21 GMT -5
Stever,you can't debate guns with a Yank they know everything. jajaja
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Post by suba on Aug 30, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -5
As someone who has had guns stuck to his head, been tied up while expecting to be executed - all in a nice house in a nice neighbourhood - I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that in Colombia the bad guys are waiting eagerly for people who think it will never happen to them.
Be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you could be a victim here - much like anywhere else - but think you live in a town or compound or city where there are no security issues and you most definitely will be a victim eventually.
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 30, 2016 11:36:40 GMT -5
Colombians, like m ost humans, are great at complaining and turning themselves into victims.. elex From what you post it would appear that you think the opposite and believe all the crime stats are wrong and security is improving. If that's the case there are two possibilities.. 1 You've never actually been to Colombia, or 2 You are just trolling. Naw..yer right..just like the olden days, just like a scene out of Narcos.. I would gladly list all the places I have been in Colombia (and Latin America, or world wide for that matter) and compare them to your list, any time of day.. But then you wouldnt believe me..think I am a troll posting out of my Basement in Saskatchewan..so whats the point?
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Post by elexpatriado on Aug 30, 2016 11:41:56 GMT -5
As someone who has had guns stuck to his head, been tied up while expecting to be executed - all in a nice house in a nice neighbourhood - I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that in Colombia the bad guys are waiting eagerly for people who think it will never happen to them. Be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you could be a victim here - much like anywhere else - but think you live in a town or compound or city where there are no security issues and you most definitely will be a victim eventually. Nobody can say it will never happen to them,Life is full of risks, living in Colombia isnt risk free,(heck crossing the street is very scary sometimes) but some people (not saying you by any means) bring it on themselves, and increase the probabilities. The point is, this happened to you once, you were cool about it, and didnt panic, so thats good on your part. But I do maintain it is much more likely to happen in Bogota, Cali or Medellin than a little hick town of 500,000 like Manizales where the chickens and goats roam the streets ( to quote yourself)
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