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Post by scumbuster on Jun 27, 2020 7:16:43 GMT -5
Colombia marks grim mortality record as nation prepares for further economic reopening By The City Paper Staff -June 25, 2020Photo: Carlos Ortega/EFE Thursday marked a tragic day for Colombia’s ongoing fight against coronavirus as total cases climbed to 80,599 and death toll claimed an additional 163 victims, putting the new total of fatalities at 2,654. Thursday marked the worst day for fatalities since the outbreak on March 6. The city most impacted by the rising death toll is Barranquilla with 47 victims, and the department of Atlántico with 33. Bogotá registered an additional 18 deaths and 1269 cases, putting its new total at 24,636. The 3,486 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were processed from 18,501 PCR tests and also among the highest recorded in recent weeks. The Ministry of Health is monitoring 453 clusters of the virus across the country. The news that deaths doubled in a week comes as the nation is gearing up for further economic reopening as of July 1, and the possibility that inter-municipal transportation could resume with strict biosecurity protocols. Residents of Bogotá have been confined to the district capital since March 20 after Mayor López restricted mobility to all surrounding departments. With the prospect that international air travel will commence as of Sept 1 even if the National Health Emergency is extended, Bogotá’s El Dorado airport began implementing biosecurity measures to protect passengers from possible coronavirus infections. “The airport is prepared to restart operations with all biosafety measures in place,” remarked Andrés Ortega, manager of Opain, the airport’s operator. “We are waiting to structure protocols for the pilot opening with the Mayor of Bogotá, Civil Aeronautics Authority and airlines.” El Dorado is the third busiest airport in Latin America. Measures include the use of 15 thermal imaging cameras in different areas of the airport as well as disinfection of all waiting rooms, rugs and furniture with micro-diffusers. Stairs, handrails and contact areas will be disinfected ten times a day. Passengers entering El Dorado will be required to wear latex gloves and face masks. If for any reason travelers don’t have their personal protection accessories, vending machines will be stocked with these mandatory items. To minimize person-to-person contact, passengers will need to fill out their boarding passes virtually and chairs will be separated in waiting rooms to meet social distancing requirements. All travelers entering the airport must undergo a temperature scan and if they present coronavirus symptoms will be redirected to the Ministry of Health for quarantine. “We want to be a benchmark for airport safety and offer tranquility to all passengers,” concluded Ortega. thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-marks-grim-mortality-record-as-nation-prepares-for-further-economic-reopening/25518
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 27, 2020 9:02:35 GMT -5
They can open internationañ air travel if they want. Wont do much good when Colombia gets Black-Listed by the rest of the world due to exponentially increasing case and death rate.
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Post by jabberwocky on Jun 27, 2020 9:27:52 GMT -5
I don't think Colombia will reopen flights from US for tourists in 2020 - , citizens, residents and maybe those with permission for business activity - but someone traveling on a tourist visa - I doubt it.
The only way it makes sense is if they have a reliable test that can be given at the gate before getting on plane - they just don't have anything that quick or accurate yet. Taking someone's temperature is worthless about 1/2 the people that get the virus have no symptoms at all - having tourists self quarantine for 14 days - too many loopholes in that - who will monitor them? Getting from MDE to hotel/ apartment in the city they would be in contact with numerous people - not a very good option.
Duque has been cautious - although the tax free day was a boneheaded move - I don't see them changing directions to get tourists back in - he has already announced that Halloween and Navidad will have restrictions. I think we will just have to write off March 2020 to July 2021 as a lost year and a half for traveling to Colombia - even if a vaccine is found probably can;t be distributed until mid next year
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 27, 2020 9:35:40 GMT -5
I don't think Colombia will reopen flights from US for tourists in 2020 - , citizens, residents and maybe those with permission for business activity - but someone traveling on a tourist visa - I doubt it. The only way it makes sense is if they have a reliable test that can be given at the gate before getting on plane - they just don't have anything that quick or accurate yet. Taking someone's temperature is worthless about 1/2 the people that get the virus have no symptoms at all - having tourists self quarantine for 14 days - too many loopholes in that - who will monitor them? Getting from MDE to hotel/ apartment in the city they would be in contact with numerous people - not a very good option. Duque has been cautious - although the tax free day was a boneheaded move - I don't see them changing directions to get tourists back in - he has already announced that Halloween and Navidad will have restrictions. I think we will just have to write off March 2020 to July 2021 as a lost year and a half for traveling to Colombia - even if a vaccine is found probably can;t be distributed until mid next year Depends where you come from. Canada, Australia, Europe-if things stay under control, Colombia may let tourists from these countries come in...if they want to amd thier government lets them come in (see below) Like I said though, going the other way will be a problem once Colombia gets black Listed-and they will be shortly-mark my words
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Post by ozgringo on Jun 27, 2020 17:21:14 GMT -5
I don't think Colombia will reopen flights from US for tourists in 2020 - , citizens, residents and maybe those with permission for business activity - but someone traveling on a tourist visa - I doubt it. The only way it makes sense is if they have a reliable test that can be given at the gate before getting on plane - they just don't have anything that quick or accurate yet. Taking someone's temperature is worthless about 1/2 the people that get the virus have no symptoms at all - having tourists self quarantine for 14 days - too many loopholes in that - who will monitor them? Getting from MDE to hotel/ apartment in the city they would be in contact with numerous people - not a very good option. Duque has been cautious - although the tax free day was a boneheaded move - I don't see them changing directions to get tourists back in - he has already announced that Halloween and Navidad will have restrictions. I think we will just have to write off March 2020 to July 2021 as a lost year and a half for traveling to Colombia - even if a vaccine is found probably can;t be distributed until mid next year Depends where you come from. Canada, Australia, Europe-if things stay under control, Colombia may let tourists from these countries come in...if they want to amd thier government lets them come in (see below) Like I said though, going the other way will be a problem once Colombia gets black Listed-and they will be shortly-mark my words Won't be such a problem for Australians. We have compulsory 14 day quarantine in a hotel for ALL returned international travellers. The issue is who would travel to Colombia (or anywhere else) with no travel / health insurance.
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Post by búfalo on Jun 27, 2020 18:07:57 GMT -5
I never travelled with insurance. For me the question is who in their right mind would go on vacation just to soend time and money on a 14 day stat in a hotel once they got back!?
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 28, 2020 8:27:19 GMT -5
Depends where you come from. Canada, Australia, Europe-if things stay under control, Colombia may let tourists from these countries come in...if they want to amd thier government lets them come in (see below) Like I said though, going the other way will be a problem once Colombia gets black Listed-and they will be shortly-mark my words Won't be such a problem for Australians. We have compulsory 14 day quarantine in a hotel for ALL returned international travellers. The issue is who would travel to Colombia (or anywhere else) with no travel / health insurance. So the Aussie government allows them to travel to Texas now? Canada has the same 14 day quarantine, but it isnt enforced. Seeme unenforceable. Do they enforce it in Australia? The issue wont be direct bans of residents going to Colombia.it will be national airlines not flying here from Europe , Canada, Asia. And if the US gets better before Colombia, from the uS as well. Anyway, we will see what happens September 1
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 28, 2020 8:38:26 GMT -5
I never travelled with insurance. For me the question is who in their right mind would go on vacation just to soend time and money on a 14 day stat in a hotel once they got back!? I have been debating whether to go back to Canada on an emergency flight. (and connecting flights). With the 14 day quarntine, required paperwork and land travel between here and Bogota or Medellin, I have decided to stick it out here. Mostly beacause I plan to go back to ski in February and March, and if I have to go into quarantine, might as well do it once, not 2 or 3 times. I have already made deposits on a couple cat ski and one back country lodge trip amounting to $2300 CAD, and will make mor edeposits in July. I wont be reserving a flight until probably Novemeber , when I willhave abetetr idea if the 14 day quarantine is required, but my guess it will be. I will nothave been back to Canada for 18 months at that point, and wil not have skied for 2 years. I am spending a lot of money on that trip and will do a lot of skiing. You only live once. Hopefuly 2021 wont be a write off as well. Either we will have a vaccine, herd immunity, better treatment, or it will just go away. Some countries have it figured out. Even countries with extremely high death rates almost a 1000 per million , like Belguim, are doing ok now, so there is hope, light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by ozgringo on Jun 28, 2020 9:41:16 GMT -5
Won't be such a problem for Australians. We have compulsory 14 day quarantine in a hotel for ALL returned international travellers. The issue is who would travel to Colombia (or anywhere else) with no travel / health insurance. So the Aussie government allows them to travel to Texas now? Canada has the same 14 day quarantine, but it isnt enforced. Seeme unenforceable. Do they enforce it in Australia? The issue wont be direct bans of residents going to Colombia.it will be national airlines not flying here from Europe , Canada, Asia. And if the US gets better before Colombia, from the uS as well. Anyway, we will see what happens September 1 It's enforced in Australia. Police and Military. When they land they are bussed under police escort to their designated hotel for the quarantine duration. The hotel is guarded by the military and or police. All those quarantine have to be tested before they finish the 14 day hotel quarantine. If they refuse testing they have to stay for another 10 days. The hotel bill is picked-up by the tax payer. A friend of my wife's just left for the UK. Had to get special permission to leave Australia. Our borders are closed to only Australian citizens and permanent residents. Unless you can get special permission from the government.
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 28, 2020 11:13:08 GMT -5
So the Aussie government allows them to travel to Texas now? Canada has the same 14 day quarantine, but it isnt enforced. Seeme unenforceable. Do they enforce it in Australia? The issue wont be direct bans of residents going to Colombia.it will be national airlines not flying here from Europe , Canada, Asia. And if the US gets better before Colombia, from the uS as well. Anyway, we will see what happens September 1 It's enforced in Australia. Police and Military. When they land they are bussed under police escort to their designated hotel for the quarantine duration. The hotel is guarded by the military and or police. All those quarantine have to be tested before they finish the 14 day hotel quarantine. If they refuse testing they have to stay for another 10 days. The hotel bill is picked-up by the tax payer. A friend of my wife's just left for the UK. Had to get special permission to leave Australia. Our borders are closed to only Australian citizens and permanent residents. Unless you can get special permission from the government. Our milqtoast Soy Boy PM wouldnt dare try that. If he could get away with it on white males only, and not on anyone else I am sure he would, but that would be too outrageous for even him.
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Post by makopp5 on Jun 28, 2020 19:29:31 GMT -5
I think we are close to the peak. In total Colombia is doing ok.
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 29, 2020 8:03:06 GMT -5
I think we are close to the peak. In total Colombia is doing ok. You got your crystal ball Makopp? I dont think you could play hockey with Wayne Gretzky. Its not where we are now, its where we are going. Trying to arrest this exponential surge without a strict shutdown is like trying to brake a 10 tonne truck acelerating down an icy mountain road with air brakes and no "runaway lane"
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Post by caliorbust on Jun 29, 2020 8:35:15 GMT -5
'Trying to arrest this exponential surge without a strict shutdown is like trying to...' Now you're talking Elex. Sweden realizes now they made a big mistake hoping for herd immunity, so did the UK and Brazil. The winners in this virus menace will be early quarantine countries who maintain them in problem areas for an unforeseeable time. An other setback, it seems immunity after recovering from the virus doesn't last more than 2 months: www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-doctor-study-coronavirus-antibodies-fade
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 29, 2020 9:01:46 GMT -5
I think we are close to the peak. In total Colombia is doing ok. I hope you are right. But I think 3 or 4 times as many people will die inColombia before we hit the "peak", just looking at what all the latin countries went through
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 29, 2020 9:15:15 GMT -5
'Trying to arrest this exponential surge without a strict shutdown is like trying to...' Now you're talking Elex. Sweden realizes now they made a big mistake hoping for herd immunity, so did the UK and Brazil. The winners in this virus menace will be early quarantine countries who maintain them in problem areas for an unforeseeable time. An other setback, it seems immunity after recovering from the virus doesn't last more than 2 months: www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-doctor-study-coronavirus-antibodies-fadeUK has recovered almost completely, and Brazil apears to have peaked, Sweden also the death rates have come way down. The virus still kills less than 0.1% of the population, and 90% of those are the very old and sick or in the UKs case-obese-. I am just saying Colombia has a long way to go before the cases and deaths peak. I am not scared of the virus itself, personally, just the governments reaction to it, i.e. slowing down the opening up of the economy and society or even reversing some of the steps. Because of the younger age, I doubt Colombia will have near the death rate of Euro-or US. I think the death rate will max out at 300 per million or 0.03% of the population. But for any old people living with extended families, it will be very risky. In Canada 81% of the deaths were in "Old Folks Hoes". In Italy around 60% plus a lot of old people living with thier families. If developed countries cant protect the old people, how can Colombia? Still I dont know if shutting everything down in a total quarantine will serve the best interests of the people. Maybe they should evacuate all the old people out to fincas or unused school houses. You, personally Cali, have your senses and can take care of yourself and use your own judgement to protect you whatever way
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 29, 2020 9:20:27 GMT -5
'Trying to arrest this exponential surge without a strict shutdown is like trying to...' Now you're talking Elex. Sweden realizes now they made a big mistake hoping for herd immunity, so did the UK and Brazil. The winners in this virus menace will be early quarantine countries who maintain them in problem areas for an unforeseeable time. An other setback, it seems immunity after recovering from the virus doesn't last more than 2 months: www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-doctor-study-coronavirus-antibodies-fadeUK has recovered almost completely, and Brazil apears to have peaked, Sweden also the death rates have come way down. The virus still kills less than 0.1% of the population, and 90% of those are the very old and sick or in the UKs case-obese-. I am just saying Colombia has a long way to go before the cases and deaths peak. I am not scared of the virus itself, personally, just the governments reaction to it, i.e. slowing down the opening up of the economy and society or even reversing some of the steps. Because of the younger age, I doubt Colombia will have near the death rate of Euro-or US. I think the death rate will max out at 300 per million or 0.03% of the population. But for any old people living with extended families, it will be very risky. In Canada 81% of the deaths were in "Old Folks Homes". In Italy around 60% plus a lot of old people living with thier families. If developed countries cant protect the old people, how can Colombia? Still I highly doubt if shutting everything down in a total quarantine will serve the best interests of the people. It is a recipe for total economic disaster.The economies will never recover after. In most places in the world where restaurants and other businesses have reopened, over half have shut permanently, and this only after 2 to 3 months of shut down. The public debt rates cannot go up anymore. Maybe in Colombias case they should evacuate all the old people out to fincas or unused school houses out in the country. The logical solution is protect the old and weak and everybody else get back to normal life with restrictions- Masks, social distancing, higiene and 3 three Ts- Testing, Tracing and Treatment. Like Japan , Korea , Austria and Switzerland did. You, personally Cali, have your senses and can take care of yourself and use your own judgement to protect you whatever way
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Post by mudd on Jun 29, 2020 15:28:42 GMT -5
they have more deaths from motos and narcos, whats the problem???
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 30, 2020 9:39:23 GMT -5
they have more deaths from motos and narcos, whats the problem??? Yep-that is definitely true- at least outside of Bogota and the Coast where most of the COVID deaths have occurred. I have seen 2 moto deaths in the last 3 weeks. Her in Santander 15 COVID deaths in the last 4 months, and normally 60 traffic deaths in the same period
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Post by elexpatriado on Jun 30, 2020 9:50:45 GMT -5
My friend in Calgary has a 94 year old nieghbour.
When my friend from Calgary came back from Mexico he was supposed to be in quarntine for 14 days.
After a couple of days his nieghbour asked him if he wants him to come over for drinks.
My friend said "shouldnt I wait a few days?".
The lonely old guy said "well maybe a few more days".
About a week later my friend went over.
Should I wear a mask?
"No"
He went over reciently. I asked my friend "Arent you afrauid you are asymptomatic and maybe have the virus and give it to him?
My friend got mad.
"He is a lonely old man and clearly states he accepts the risk"
The old guy laughs at the nieghbours who are in thier early 60s and cower in the house.
You see , he grew up in Russia, in a German Colony.
He was press ganged by the German Army when they occupied Russia (or Ukraine)
They did not have the internet then. They didnt even know there was a war going on until they heard the artillery and gun shots.
A war tht killed 27 million Soviets, 9 million Germans and 10s of milions of other people.
He served in Poland and Yugoslavia during the German retreat from the Red Army.
He got taking prisoner by the Western Allies (lucky for him it wsnt the Red Army or he would not be on this earth now.
He spent time in POW camps in the UK, Canada, went back to Germany before moving back to Canada to immigrate permanently.
So you see why he scoffs at this ridiculous Virus and our reaction to it.
Having said that, I believe in social responsibility.
Wearing mask in public, social distancing, avoiding large crowds and higiene
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Post by robbierobnj on Jun 30, 2020 10:02:59 GMT -5
You guys seem to think all the cases are in Bogota and on the coast well take a look at other Countries or the USA where they thought it was just the East until it wasn't anymore California Texas Arizona etc. It will make its way to all of Colombia sooner or later
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Post by elexpatriado on Jul 3, 2020 14:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by robbierobnj on Jul 3, 2020 16:42:13 GMT -5
I told you it was just a matter of time. It's just the beginning for Colombia
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Post by caliorbust on Jul 6, 2020 21:41:36 GMT -5
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Post by robbierobnj on Jul 7, 2020 0:16:06 GMT -5
Said it months ago but some people here want to believe they are paid to report deaths. Colombia is in a world of shit with no way out anytime soon.
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Post by elexpatriado on Jul 7, 2020 15:10:14 GMT -5
Do you think burning gasoline kills the COVID virus??
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