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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 19:18:24 GMT -5
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Post by scumbuster on Apr 29, 2020 6:41:48 GMT -5
They make a compelling case.
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Post by elexpatriado on Apr 29, 2020 11:43:21 GMT -5
They make a compelling case. However, dont agree with the way they extrapolate the percentages of positive cases in the population being tested, to the general population. It is pretty clear that people that get tested are the ones that have pretty strong COVID-like symtoms , and thus they would have a much higher positive test ratio thanin the general population. But I think it is logical that since such a tiny percentage of thhe population has been tested (less than 2% in most jurisdictions), the actual number of people having he illness is many times higher- probably at least 10 times higher- than the published values..and thus the fatality rate is alot lower than the official data would indicate., definitely less than 1%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 12:55:49 GMT -5
They make a compelling case. However, dont agree with the way they extrapolate the percentages of positive cases in the population being tested, to the general population. It is pretty clear that people that get tested are the ones that have pretty strong COVID-like symtoms , and thus they would have a much higher positive test ratio thanin the general population. But I think it is logical that since such a tiny percentage of thhe population has been tested (less than 2% in most jurisdictions), the actual number of people having he illness is many times higher- probably at least 10 times higher- than the published values..and thus the fatality rate is alot lower than the official data would indicate., definitely less than 1%. Alot deaths recorded as Coronavirus were never tested and a big percentage of deaths were probably from the Flu. The real issue in the US is that it is a very unhealthy population and if you protect the vunerable it is probably 50% of the people at risks. Just too many fatties.
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Post by mudd on Apr 29, 2020 15:40:45 GMT -5
i think t its way over blown. whats the mortality rate like 1-2 % thats nothing.
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Post by caliconnection on Apr 29, 2020 19:50:28 GMT -5
i think t its way over blown. whats the mortality rate like 1-2 % thats nothing. Probably far less as they are only testing people who are very sick.
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Post by james on Apr 29, 2020 22:19:46 GMT -5
I would like to see what the figures are for people who are considered to be in "essential" ocupations. These people are not on lockdown, so they are out on the street in supposedly high risk situations daily. What % contracted COVID ?? Everyone I know here and in the US that is still working are ok. My son in the US works for Best Buy. Normally he does appliance and television warranty repair for BB on the road. He is still on the road, but just delivering TVs that have been repaired in the shop. He calls to make certain the customer is home, drops off the TV on the front porch, rings the doorbell, and leaves. No mask, no gloves, and no problems. He will return to his regular in-home repair job next week. My other son here is operating his software development business as usual. The employees come to work, program like they normally do, and go home. No one has contracted the virus. And, at work, no special precautions have been taken.
I believe that the assumption that the virus was going to kill a large percentage (50%+) of those who became infected was dead wrong (Pardon the pun). So ... this is just a more contagious type of flu virus, but not more lethal.
Did the entire world just over-react, or what?? That seems to be the conclusion of the folks in the video.
- JAMES
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Post by scumbuster on Apr 30, 2020 9:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by elexpatriado on Apr 30, 2020 11:14:42 GMT -5
I would like to see what the figures are for people who are considered to be in "essential" ocupations. These people are not on lockdown, so they are out on the street in supposedly high risk situations daily. What % contracted COVID ?? Everyone I know here and in the US that is still working are ok. My son in the US works for Best Buy. Normally he does appliance and television warranty repair for BB on the road. He is still on the road, but just delivering TVs that have been repaired in the shop. He calls to make certain the customer is home, drops off the TV on the front porch, rings the doorbell, and leaves. No mask, no gloves, and no problems. He will return to his regular in-home repair job next week. My other son here is operating his software development business as usual. The employees come to work, program like they normally do, and go home. No one has contracted the virus. And, at work, no special precautions have been taken. I believe that the assumption that the virus was going to kill a large percentage (50%+) of those who became infected was dead wrong (Pardon the pun). So ... this is just a more contagious type of flu virus, but not more lethal. Did the entire world just over-react, or what?? That seems to be the conclusion of the folks in the video. - JAMES I dont know if anyone seriously said 50%- though there are enough nutbars out there that are so called "experts" maybe they did find someone who said that. Maybe you are quoting Caliorbust..dont think he is a world renowned immunologist
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Post by elexpatriado on Apr 30, 2020 11:24:41 GMT -5
One point they made is that when this virus first came out , nobody knew anything about it, and mass lock downs made sense.
But ths is the first time in history that they have Quarantined healthy people- on such a mass scale.
And the virus is still getting intoSeniors homes and killing them- on a disproportianate sacale.
So since they now have a pretty god idea of how to identify the disesase, have more advance tecsting techniques and data, and they know it is disproportianately attacks older and people and people with compromised immune systems, why dont they continue to isolate these people, with additional security and precautions (caregivers to be tested and to wear "clean room" suits, etc.) and let the rest of the people work and have more normal social lifes, with social distancing, masks (were applicable) and no large public gatherings for a while. This would be to prevent a surge that would overload the health care system,
They could make it optional for people who dont meet the "old or comprimised" criteria to stay at home, with a lot less government asistance.
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Post by james on Apr 30, 2020 22:25:00 GMT -5
Ok, I pulled the 50 percent thing out of my hat. But based on the high death rates in Italy and Spain, authorities world wide hit the panic button. I believe it was correct to lockdown,but there was no coordination between countries, and none between the Feds and the states in the US. Everyone handled it their own way. The bottom line is that the world economy is going to take a long time to recover. And many individuals and families will feel the effects of this in their pocketbooks and may never have a life as it was pre-covid . My hope is that the governments will be able to hold down inflation. Veremos. - JAMES
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Post by elexpatriado on May 1, 2020 12:32:13 GMT -5
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