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Post by scumbuster on Jun 30, 2016 6:03:18 GMT -5
Marijuana in Colombia: From ‘the weed that kills’ to ‘the weed that cures’ Marijuana used to be “the weed that kills” in Colombia anti-drug ads on TV, but not anymore. Following the legalization of medical marijuana, the country seeks to legally export derivatives of one of the world’s most popular drug. The first license to export cannabis derivatives for medical purposes was granted to a Colombian-Canadian company PharmaCielo, Health Minister Alejandro Gaviria announced Tuesday. But the government’s favorable attitude towards marijuana is something relatively new. The drug has been smoked and traded in Colombia for decades, and — thanks to the drug being illegal — helped the rise of Colombia’s first drug cartels in the 1970s. The country’s repressive policy came under fire during the presidency of former President Alvaro Uribe (2002-2010) when the Supreme Court decriminalized the drug, much to the dislike of the conservative president, who consistently tried to implement laws that would make the carrying of marijuana criminal. Marijuana, like coca and poppy, was considered a “weed that kills” as the production of most of Colombia’s drugs, including marijuana, was controlled by illegal armed groups, in particular the FARC, Colombia’s largest rebel group. All this changed when Uribe left office, making place for the current President Juan Manuel Santos, who was unafraid to admit he too smoked pot while studying in the United States. Since then, and again to the dislike of Uribe, Santos began to radically relax drug legislation, seeking to approach domestic drug use as a public health rather than a public security issue. To curb international drug trafficking, Santos urged the international community to rethink the hardly successful “War on Drugs” waged under the leadership of the United States. Back home, Santos supported efforts by the Liberal Party to legalize the drugs. Members of Santos’ own U Party even sought the absolute legalization of marijuana, but to no avail. While Congress was still debating the issue, the Santos administration moved ahead and issued a decree that would allow the legal production and sale of marijuana for medical purposes. The new rules represented “a major step that put Colombia at the vanguard and forefront of the fight against illnesses,” Santos said during the signing ceremony for the presidential decree. Congress followed and passed a bill legalizing medical marijuana months later, pushed by the Supreme Court that upped the number of marijuana plants that can be grown legally to 100.While Congress was still debating the issue, the Santos administration was already beginning to seek benefits for the treasury that has suffered from a major drop in global oil prices. Additionally, as the country sought a peace deal with the FARC, the government needed employment opportunities for coca farmers. Or, as the health minister put it, “Colombia could be the winner of this emerging global market for medicinal marijuana.” “It’s a challenge and chance to change the image of Colombia to one that grows weeds that heal and cure,” Federico Cock-Correa, chief executive of PharmaCielo said. And with that comment, marijuana stopped being the “weed that kills” in Colombia. colombiareports.com/marijuana-colombia-weed-kills-weed-cures/
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Post by flynnflanagan on Jun 30, 2016 8:11:36 GMT -5
The herb supurb
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Post by scumbuster on Jun 30, 2016 8:49:33 GMT -5
Supreme Court that upped the number of marijuana plants that can be grown legally to 100. I think its safe to assume its not for personal use..
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Post by entonces on Jun 30, 2016 9:57:31 GMT -5
At times along blocks of Carrera 70 in Medellin the smell of grass is really powerful. It's not my business. To each his own but they're so high that they can't focus and the light in their eyes is really dim. To me it's obvious that smoking dope for many, many people has gone way beyond medical relief or harmless recreation and has become a way of life that does more harm than good. It's a way of seeking escape from problems. They're stoners. Reality is reality and there's no escaping it. Reality can be very bad but there isn't anything anywhere better and then you die. Face it.
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Post by papitohead on Jun 30, 2016 10:25:54 GMT -5
Huh, then the most healthy people live along Carrera 70. lol. Now, why 100? I did hear a doctor say that the government should give seeds to the poor and malnutrition people claiming the weed is what has been called Moringa to do.
Last time I heard, in Colombia you could grow about 24 or so plants, but must have a permit from a doctor approved to do so. Have this also changed?
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Post by suba on Jun 30, 2016 12:54:28 GMT -5
The vast majority of weed smokers have nothing medically wrong with them whatsoever, they smoke because their lives are empty.
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Post by gallito on Jun 30, 2016 13:08:36 GMT -5
Let's turn this around and discuss alcohol;apparently being sloshed is perfectly acceptable.There are pros and cons to both crutches.
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 30, 2016 13:23:19 GMT -5
Alcohol and drugs for the majority is for recreational use,To compare them makes no sense.I would much rather sit around visiting some friends over a few drinks then passing around a joint.
Pot for medicine I think is great thru oil, pills etc etc etc as for the actual pot heads really dont have much todo with them
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Post by gallito on Jun 30, 2016 13:30:42 GMT -5
Moderation, it's simple.
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Post by caliconnection on Jun 30, 2016 16:35:00 GMT -5
Freedom of choice. If they want to get stoned then let them. They are unlikely to harm someone when on it, unless they attempt something stupid like driving.
I hope it becomes legal elsewhere. At the moment all you can get in Canada is "killer skunk" like weed. This is like only being able to purchase cask strength 50% proof whisky. How about some nice 5% stuff for those of who would just like to feel the relaxation effects without getting high?
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 30, 2016 16:50:45 GMT -5
CC I am a legalize it all person.
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Post by billforce on Jun 30, 2016 17:49:44 GMT -5
The vast majority of weed smokers have nothing medically wrong with them whatsoever, they smoke because their lives are empty. Currently that may be true but if you continue using pot especially on a daily basis it has been medically proven that it will IN FACT DESTROY Brain cells. Most of the potheads I know can't afford to lose many more, they are already acute problem children and any more loss they may even become Liberals?
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Post by caliconnection on Jun 30, 2016 18:27:22 GMT -5
CC I am a legalize it all person. Yep same here.
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Post by makopp5 on Jun 30, 2016 18:59:04 GMT -5
CC I am a legalize it all person. That`s the only way for peace in Colombia.
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Post by scumbuster on Jun 30, 2016 23:54:33 GMT -5
Currently that may be true but if you continue using pot especially on a daily basis it has been medically proven that it will IN FACT DESTROY Brain cells. You have been watching to many old drug public service announcements and listening to government funded BS. In the past the government would only give out funding that promoted the horrors of drugs thus you got junk science to keep the funds rolling in. You need to watch the 3 part documentary WEED on youtube. It was done by CNN and Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He was the surgon general for years and his conclusion was the government has been lying about marijuana. The US government even has a patent on the use of CBD for brain damage.
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Post by papitohead on Jul 1, 2016 5:59:16 GMT -5
Currently that may be true but if you continue using pot especially on a daily basis it has been medically proven that it will IN FACT DESTROY Brain cells. You have been watching to many old drug public service announcements and listening to government funded BS. In the past the government would only give out funding that promoted the horrors of drugs thus you got junk science to keep the funds rolling in. You need to watch the 3 part documentary WEED on youtube. It was done by CNN and Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He was the surgon general for years and his conclusion was the government has been lying about marijuana. The US government even has a patent on the use of CBD for brain damage. I agree with scumbuster. Government and with the big help and from Big Pharma. Why? can't get much $$$ because is actually free @ your back yard if you grow it. Also should watch: "The truth about cancer".
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Post by scumbuster on Jul 1, 2016 6:12:54 GMT -5
weather your for marijuana or against it, these are extremely interesting to watch.
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Post by wildstubby on Jul 1, 2016 6:37:25 GMT -5
♫No stems, no seeds, that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is (pssssssss), Bad-ass weed!♫ Long in the leaf and short in the can!
Disclaimer here: I work for Big Pharma, (really BIG Pharma!!!)!!! Forget government conspiracies and the like. There is conclusive evidence that it does cause long term memory loss. I actually talked to my doctor about this because I thought I was having memory issues from the helicon days of Redtip use. He assured me it wasn't the case but said there is medical documentation regarding it! (Where? I don't have a clue). I remember the days of having the munchies, cottonmouth, and laughing at inane stuff, but the fact I'm off the cancer sticks, I don't think I want to chance going back to either addiction! (26 years without cigarettes!!!!!!)
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Post by papitohead on Jul 1, 2016 6:38:12 GMT -5
Nope, never watched it, but will now. Thanks scumbuster. I did hear about the oil they make with high grade alcohol, but that is very expensive because it is required to use high grade pot and all you get is a little bit of oil per once of pot. That would probably be much cheaper in Colombia because there is so much pot around. I have no idea how much an once is sold for in the states now, neither how much it costs in Colombia, but must be a great difference.
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Post by dandl93 on Jul 1, 2016 7:06:41 GMT -5
Nope, never watched it, but will now. Thanks scumbuster. I did hear about the oil they make with high grade alcohol, but that is very expensive because it is required to use high grade pot and all you get is a little bit of oil per once of pot. That would probably be much cheaper in Colombia because there is so much pot around. I have no idea how much an once is sold for in the states now, neither how much it costs in Colombia, but must be a great difference. Google... Rick Simpson recipe for Cannabis oil .... There is people selling the oil in Colombia even having it tested for strength 25k - 50k approx 4cc of oil depending how many drops you are taking a day 1 -2 months dosage.
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Post by papitohead on Jul 1, 2016 7:52:02 GMT -5
Thanks dandl93. Yes, I watched the Rick Simpson oil making video. A reason I mentioned it may cost $$$ because requiring flowers of the plant. You end up with little oil from one once. There are oils being sold now but not the same as the Rick Simpson oil. A big difference.
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Post by scumbuster on Jul 1, 2016 8:21:44 GMT -5
♫No stems, no seeds, that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is (pssssssss), Bad-ass weed!♫ Long in the leaf and short in the can! Disclaimer here: I work for Big Pharma, (really BIG Pharma!!!)!!! Forget government conspiracies and the like. There is conclusive evidence that it does cause long term memory loss. I actually talked to my doctor about this because I thought I was having memory issues from the helicon days of Redtip use. He assured me it wasn't the case but said there is medical documentation regarding it! (Where? I don't have a clue). I remember the days of having the munchies, cottonmouth, and laughing at inane stuff, but the fact I'm off the cancer sticks, I don't think I want to chance going back to either addiction! (26 years without cigarettes!!!!!!) wildstubby I'm not surprised that your Dr's still think its bad. All they have ever seen are government studies that were designed to make it look as harmful as possible. The government needed justification for the draconian drug policy. Dr Gupta in a famous neurosurgeon and he too was in this camp until he did independent research. Israel is one of the leading countries studding the benefits and its being given to patients in hospitals and nursing homes. It goes into this in the documentary. PTSD is another one that its very beneficial for. I'm not blind that its used recreationally by many under the guise of medical use. But the thing is, should we be putting people in prison for something that by all accounts is much less harmful than alcohol and many multiple times more safer than cigarettes which are both completely legal for an adult to use? Also he doesn't give it a 100% (go its safe) report. He does go into potential problems with marijuana. I think it was a pretty balanced documentary. Also like the link dandl93 gave above. Rick Simpson did a lot of investigation into the oil based medicine and shows how to extract the cannabis oils for medicinal use. It probably would be expensive if you were to make oil from street marijuana, (not in Colombia) but that's why many want to grow and make there own. The costs would then be minimal. Plus there is a big difference between street weed and high CBD weed. Because the oil is quite concentrated it really doesn't take much so even though the return on making it is small I have read that people get good results using the CBD oil about the size of a grain of rice.. So a little would go a long way. Anyway, there is a ton of information on it and you can easily find a lot of very good videos on youtube. The Government does have at least 2 patents on the beneficial use on one hand, while on the other says it has no beneficial use (schedule 1 drug) (worse than cocaine which is a schedule 2 drug) and puts people in prison for it. If I would be inclined to use some one day I would find a strain that is about 50%/50% THC to CBD. They say the THC inhibits the high affects of THC while still preserving the health benifits of the THC. The part that disturbes me the most is the hipocrasy of our polititians. Many (including at least our last 3 presidenst) have used it, but push for these strict drug laws that do nothing but ruin peoples lives, and promote cartels and a black market.
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Post by wildstubby on Jul 1, 2016 15:51:26 GMT -5
One thing I have always heard was that it was good to use against glaucoma. They never beat that one down. But yet you don't hear of it being prescribed for it anymore! You would be surprised where some drug active ingredients originated from. The active ingredient in Heartguard, Ivomec, and Mectizan, (avermectin) was found from a worm on a Japanese golf course. Another heart drug was derived from the venom of an African pit viper. The best one is that active ingredient used in the drug Elspar,(asparaginaise) which is used to fight childhood leukemia, is derived from the protein shell of an ecoli bacterium!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 17:06:54 GMT -5
I smoke pot daily and the point I want to make,wait I forgot.
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Post by papitohead on Jul 1, 2016 17:18:11 GMT -5
As scumbuster says, at least our last three presidents used marijuana before, but are against it. They do not care about anybody either if used for medicinal or just get stoned. But they do have their own suppliers and probably use it whenever they are pleased to do so.
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Post by teeo9111 on Jul 1, 2016 23:28:48 GMT -5
Currently that may be true but if you continue using pot especially on a daily basis it has been medically proven that it will IN FACT DESTROY Brain cells. You have been watching to many old drug public service announcements and listening to government funded BS. In the past the government would only give out funding that promoted the horrors of drugs thus you got junk science to keep the funds rolling in. You need to watch the 3 part documentary WEED on youtube. It was done by CNN and Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He was the surgon general for years and his conclusion was the government has been lying about marijuana. The US government even has a patent on the use of CBD for brain damage. I've been smoking cannabis on a daily basis for 40 years and I still have most of my marbles.
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Post by wildstubby on Jul 2, 2016 4:58:23 GMT -5
teeo9111 said: When I smoked pot, I would forget where I put my marbles, and at the time, I didn't care!!!
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Post by papitohead on Jul 2, 2016 16:33:10 GMT -5
A long as you don't try smoking your marbles instead, you will be fine. Billforce, is time to come down to reality. I don't mean become a pothead, I mean accept that the medicine from it is very good.
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Post by makopp5 on Jul 3, 2016 11:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by gallito on Jul 3, 2016 11:26:47 GMT -5
makopp5 ,the "gringo trail" made Colombia famous in the 70's;back then you just had to visit a group of mj freindly hotels,Santa Marta beach front...watch the sunset accompanied by a fatty of punta rojo/oro and a cold Heine. ps back then you cold pick up a pound for $30.
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