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Post by youngman on Jun 23, 2016 14:47:33 GMT -5
Signed today...nothing changes...I bet they don't get 10 guns turned in....it wont be a week before some police or military are killed and some new named group will say they did it....carry on
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Post by suba on Jun 23, 2016 19:12:21 GMT -5
Now starts the lying.
FARC will spend it's time saying the guns don't exist and the government will pass the days telling the newspapers that the latest atrocity had nothing to do with either FARC or themselves.
Then the indigenous will take to the airwaves complaining that promises haven't been kept before all parties announce that the cocaine trade has finally stopped.
Eventually another hardman will emerge to tell the country it was deceived.
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Post by gallito on Jun 23, 2016 20:04:00 GMT -5
The farc peace accord;ELN are licking their chops...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 21:26:38 GMT -5
I would love to be able to get this " baligrafo" they used to sign the cease-fire, though. By the way, they only signed a cease fire treaty, not the whole Peace treaty, right?
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 23, 2016 21:57:38 GMT -5
They signed the agreement it will not be a treaty until the public votes to approve it
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Post by suba on Jun 23, 2016 22:58:15 GMT -5
They signed the agreement it will not be a treaty until the public votes to approve it They'll approve it Dan because they won't be told what it contains. The questions will be "do you want war or peace?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 0:18:11 GMT -5
Yes the referendum will be a Yes or No question. Still the complete agreement will be available for the ones interested.
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Post by fishhead on Jun 24, 2016 0:55:14 GMT -5
So far they're not even sure how this referendum is going to work. Still depends on a decision by the Colombian Supreme Court. Both sides have promised to abide by that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 7:04:22 GMT -5
Again they "only" signed a cease fire agreement, not the whole peace process agreement.
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Post by youngman on Jun 24, 2016 8:17:43 GMT -5
Lots of steps to go thru for this to work.....I just don't see the Farc giving up their guns....
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Post by suba on Jun 24, 2016 9:09:40 GMT -5
Steve, everyone is well aware that it was only the cease fire that was signed, but FARC stated that they would not agree to the ceasefire unless the terms they asked for were agreed to in the peace treaty.
They are not now about to sit down and decide on what will be agreed, that is done, hence the cease fire. The only people that don't know what has been agreed to are the general public, Uribe said exactly that yesterday, that he won't comment until something is revealed.
Or maybe you think that the FARC have agreed to let Santos put whatever he wants in the treaty and in the meantime they will start to demobilise anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 10:28:52 GMT -5
Cease fire is not demobilization, not even disarming. But yes, it is am important step, and as you said Suba, they reached to this point because there is enough clarity for both parties about the whole peace agreement.
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Post by suba on Jun 24, 2016 11:00:25 GMT -5
No steve you have it wrong. This cease fire is the symbolic recognition that the terms for disarmament and yes demobilization have been finalised. The fact that neither you nor I have any idea of what's actually been agreed is neither here nor there.
The drug dealers are going to lay down their arms and go into politics, the terms are that generous, that's what the country has been told.
This is not my opinion, it's fact and the reason for the celebrations yesterday. They weren't cheering because of the football.
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Post by barrumundi on Jun 24, 2016 15:33:56 GMT -5
I didn't hear anybody cheering.
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Post by jafo19d on Jun 24, 2016 17:44:37 GMT -5
My first vote in this country will be against this peace crap.
BTW this should be in Anything Colombia; if your thread is about Colombia, has "Colombia" or one of its cities me mentioned, that might be a clue that it belongs in "Anything Colombia"
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 24, 2016 17:58:20 GMT -5
jafo This will be a fed vote not sure you will be able to vote except if you are a citizen not just a resident.
We will need to check up on this because I will against if possible
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Post by jafo19d on Jun 24, 2016 21:11:26 GMT -5
jafo This will be a fed vote not sure you will be able to vote except if you are a citizen not just a resident. We will need to check up on this because I will against if possible I'm a dual citizen.
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Post by avispa on Jun 26, 2016 13:49:42 GMT -5
I guess we can hope? I never thought the IRA would disarm.
They've got to find something for the FARC soldiers to do. And keep the Bacrims from going after them.
Maybe incorporate large numbers of them directly into the Army and National Police. Sure, it would be a difficult integration, but expecting these guys to come in from the jungle and get jobs bagging groceries at Exito is ridiculous.
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 26, 2016 15:41:22 GMT -5
This peace agreement has nothing to do about or for the low end Farc soldier.The higher ups will get all the benifits and walk away free and clear with all the stashed cash.Now the low end soldiers did not join because they wanted to learn a job or better them selves and if there is no Farc they will join some other criminal group may it be Narcos,Paramilitary or Gangs they are no differant then the 100s of 1000s of Gang members in the USA and around the world.
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Post by billforce on Jun 26, 2016 16:04:26 GMT -5
This peace agreement has nothing to do about or for the low end Farc soldier.The higher ups will get all the benifits and walk away free and clear with all the stashed cash.Now the low end soldiers did not join because they wanted to learn a job or better them selves and if there is no Farc they will join some other criminal group may it be Narcos,Paramilitary or Gangs they are no differant then the 100s of 1000s of Gang members in the USA and around the world. You are absolutely right on. They joined the FARC because they wanted something to eat and they will go next to the highest bidder for their "chicken in every pot". The entire scenario smells to high heaven, anyone with an iota of common sense knows it's a Santos ploy and will never work. First off, the country does not have the funds to even begin to administrate the proposals and they can't borrow it because they are already in debt up to their ears because of the petroleum decline and their short sidedness. Very NOBLE endeavor but in fact it's doomed to failure immediately unless FUNDED up front. Santos thinks the world will grace him with money for his ambitions but the world is broke and will not simply GRANT him the funds he needs to implement his proposals. The answer was 40 years ago when it was manageable, as Juan Camilo Restrepo told Pastrana, "You cannot negotiate with a Rattlesnake, you cut off it's head or it will kill you" and to this date there has never been a concerted effort to annihilate the FARC, the "sheeple" of Colombia would rather live with them than be brutally frank and eliminate them once and for all. The worst rebel groups in the history of the world were all eventually ELIMINATED except the FARC. The rule-makers in Colombia are essentially gutless wonders and it goes against their grain to simply eliminate the threat as other countries did. If Colombia was to throw their entire resources towards eliminating the FARC the problem would be over and never come back to bite you and it would actually cost less than this so called "peace plan"..... This is a plan for abuse is all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 21:29:17 GMT -5
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Post by dandl93 on Jun 27, 2016 8:13:52 GMT -5
This only says what the comission wanted and was looking for, Has nothing about what is in the agreement that the people will vote on.
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Post by avispa on Jun 27, 2016 14:27:41 GMT -5
Uribe made great strides in eliminating Farc. I guess he needed a third term.
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Post by makopp5 on Jun 27, 2016 20:58:14 GMT -5
steverusso thanks, there are some good points, but we know from the past, that this is not working. For example: Acuerdo Solución al problema de las drogas ilícitas
So stupid, lots of empty words, there were several governments who worked on this, but is has never worked. And it will not work now. Show me, where there was a longer term program of this kind which worked.
And this will one key points. War on drugs never worked.
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Post by caliconnection on Jun 27, 2016 21:50:24 GMT -5
Uribe made great strides in eliminating Farc. I guess he needed a third term. And a fourth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 22:23:17 GMT -5
Uribe made great strides in eliminating Farc. I guess he needed a third term. And a fourth. With four terms, we would be getting very close from some African "democracies" ;-)
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Post by caliconnection on Jun 28, 2016 12:10:16 GMT -5
Maggie had three. Surely they could have changed the rules and allowed Uribe to at least also have a third.
People who are living close to where the FARC are going to be moved to are very concerned.
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Post by búfalo on Jun 28, 2016 12:55:55 GMT -5
My wife's family said possibly El Quindío. It's touristic so those guus can ooen a museum or something.
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Post by billyb on Jun 28, 2016 14:10:18 GMT -5
With four terms, we would be getting very close from some African "democracies" ;-) Or like our neighboring "democracies", like Ecuador under Correa, Nicaragua under Ortega, vennie under Chavez, Bolivia under Morales, and how Crissy tried but failed in Argie.
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Post by billyb on Jun 28, 2016 14:12:11 GMT -5
Maggie had three. Surely they could have changed the rules and allowed Uribe to at least also have a third. People who are living close to where the FARC are going to be moved to are very concerned. I was against a third on principle, but now I wish like hell we had gone for it.
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