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Post by suba on May 12, 2016 18:40:21 GMT -5
This afternoon I saw a headline on RCN saying that an agreement had been reached and an announcement was about to be made. I came back home and looked in a few places and can't see anything.
Have they reached an agreement?
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Post by billforce on May 12, 2016 18:49:28 GMT -5
This afternoon I saw a headline on RCN saying that an agreement had been reached and an announcement was about to be made. I came back home and looked in a few places and can't see anything. Have they reached an agreement? What difference does it make, they both indicated they are broke and can't implement the program. Wishful thinking perhaps.
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Post by suba on May 12, 2016 18:56:41 GMT -5
This afternoon I saw a headline on RCN saying that an agreement had been reached and an announcement was about to be made. I came back home and looked in a few places and can't see anything. Have they reached an agreement? What difference does it make, they both indicated they are broke and can't implement the program. Wishful thinking perhaps. Those of us living here know the truth, that a signature on a piece of paper won't signal the end of anything, but I'd argue that the rest of the world will be convinced that Colombia has suddenly turned into an undiscovered paradise. Santos genuinely believes that billions of dollars in foreign investment will flow in - he's already spending the money.
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Post by billforce on May 13, 2016 12:28:30 GMT -5
What difference does it make, they both indicated they are broke and can't implement the program. Wishful thinking perhaps. Those of us living here know the truth, that a signature on a piece of paper won't signal the end of anything, but I'd argue that the rest of the world will be convinced that Colombia has suddenly turned into an undiscovered paradise. Santos genuinely believes that billions of dollars in foreign investment will flow in - he's already spending the money. Thank you, it is so gratifying to see someone who actually understands the scenario and doesn't "buy in" to the Santo's rhetoric, thank you Sir.
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Post by búfalo on May 13, 2016 20:08:06 GMT -5
Yup, that docs signature is about as solid as the guarantee when you buy something at Sanandresito.
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Post by billyb on May 13, 2016 20:13:54 GMT -5
Those of us living here know the truth, that a signature on a piece of paper won't signal the end of anything, but I'd argue that the rest of the world will be convinced that Colombia has suddenly turned into an undiscovered paradise. Santos genuinely believes that billions of dollars in foreign investment will flow in - he's already spending the money. Thank you, it is so gratifying to see someone who actually understands the scenario and doesn't "buy in" to the Santo's rhetoric, thank you Sir. How many Colombians, or even expats, do you run into that buy into the Santos' BS? Nobody i know in Colombia buys his shit, much less the overwhelming majority of expats on this forum.
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Post by suba on May 13, 2016 21:34:37 GMT -5
Billy, for two days now I've been rushed off my feet in hospitals for one reason or another and have only managed to catch a few moments of the updates on the TVs in there. I have asked maybe 6 nurses and god knows how many doctors what this agreement is and not one of them has the slightest interest and every one of them (without exception) simply replied something along the lines of "it's all bullshit" or it's "just a fake agreement" they didn't even bother taking the time to read the headlines.
I've since read that the "agreement" that has been reached is simply an agreement that future politicians will not have the power to reverse anything agreed on despite how wrong it all pans out to be.
In short, if there were an election tomorrow Santos would be history and he'd have his proposed peace initiative stuck up his arse.
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Post by wildstubby on May 14, 2016 9:13:58 GMT -5
suba said: Somebody had to vote for this character! How else did he weasel into office or was the opposition that lame that he was the lesser of 2 evils?
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 10:38:20 GMT -5
He seemed, at the time, as the lesser of 2 evils. Plus he ran as a continuation of the Uribe program and when elected, he showed his true colors.
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Post by fishhead on May 14, 2016 11:07:35 GMT -5
He seemed, at the time, as the lesser of 2 evils. Plus he ran as a continuation of the Uribe program and when elected, he showed his true colors. Well, he did manage to get reelected in 2014.
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Post by dandl93 on May 14, 2016 11:09:48 GMT -5
suba said: Somebody had to vote for this character! How else did he weasel into office or was the opposition that lame that he was the lesser of 2 evils? Santos was elected because he ran off of being close to Uribe.All he had to do was keep up the fight and finish off the Farc.Uribe had no choice but to spend most of Colombias resorces on the Farc but it was working.Santos just needed to do 50/50 with 50% ending the Farc and the other 50% taking care of the social problems.Santos back off the pressure on the Farc completely and Colombia is returning to post Uribe days.
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 11:44:07 GMT -5
He seemed, at the time, as the lesser of 2 evils. Plus he ran as a continuation of the Uribe program and when elected, he showed his true colors. Well, he did manage to get reelected in 2014. With the help of massive vote buying on the Coast,
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Post by fishhead on May 14, 2016 11:50:55 GMT -5
Santos was elected because he ran off of being close to Uribe.All he had to do was keep up the fight and finish off the Farc.Uribe had no choice but to spend most of Colombias resorces on the Farc but it was working.Santos just needed to do 50/50 with 50% ending the Farc and the other 50% taking care of the social problems.Santos back off the pressure on the Farc completely and Colombia is returning to post Uribe days. Some people might say Colombia never left the post Uribe days....
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Post by billforce on May 14, 2016 12:29:04 GMT -5
suba said: Somebody had to vote for this character! How else did he weasel into office or was the opposition that lame that he was the lesser of 2 evils? Santos was elected because he ran off of being close to Uribe.All he had to do was keep up the fight and finish off the Farc.Uribe had no choice but to spend most of Colombias resorces on the Farc but it was working.Santos just needed to do 50/50 with 50% ending the Farc and the other 50% taking care of the social problems.Santos back off the pressure on the Farc completely and Colombia is returning to post Uribe days. Exactly, he vowed to continue Uribe's policies but turned-coated once elected. His only concern was the Peace prize, self-interest Monkey. He didn't "weasel" into office, he had a 80% approval rating when he was running for office but that soon vanished when his true colors emerged. Any high office elected official who places his country at risk because of personal gain should be incarcerated. He started an "attack" campaign to discredit Uribe and accuse him of crimes, that is the only way he could get an audience. In reality under the guise of humanitarian concerns he tried to crucify Uribe who had done more to rid the country of the FARC than anyone in history, he made the country safe to travel in, prior to Uribe you had to travel in military convoys, I know because I did it several times from Pereira to Medellin. In actuality Uribe was trading FARC lives for citizens lives and given the choice most would agree but Santos tried to CRIMINALIZE self-defense. He is the absolute worst DICTATOR since Samper and couldn't LEAD a "pig out of a blind alley".
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Post by caliconnection on May 14, 2016 16:02:35 GMT -5
suba said: Somebody had to vote for this character! How else did he weasel into office or was the opposition that lame that he was the lesser of 2 evils? Santos was elected because he ran off of being close to Uribe.All he had to do was keep up the fight and finish off the Farc.Uribe had no choice but to spend most of Colombias resorces on the Farc but it was working.Santos just needed to do 50/50 with 50% ending the Farc and the other 50% taking care of the social problems.Santos back off the pressure on the Farc completely and Colombia is returning to post Uribe days. Indeed. Though I'd argue that 75% to concentrate eradicating the FARC, then have a go at tackling the social problems.
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Post by dandl93 on May 14, 2016 16:37:49 GMT -5
Santos was elected because he ran off of being close to Uribe.All he had to do was keep up the fight and finish off the Farc.Uribe had no choice but to spend most of Colombias resorces on the Farc but it was working.Santos just needed to do 50/50 with 50% ending the Farc and the other 50% taking care of the social problems.Santos back off the pressure on the Farc completely and Colombia is returning to post Uribe days. Some people might say Colombia never left the post Uribe days.... Yes some people are idiots and clueless
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Post by ozgringo on May 14, 2016 18:45:10 GMT -5
Well, he did manage to get reelected in 2014. With the help of massive vote buying on the Coast, I witnessed it. The vote buying that its on numerous elections. It is not as blatent as the local elections where literally there is a house down the road from a school that pays people after casting their vote.
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 19:50:05 GMT -5
Some people might say Colombia never left the post Uribe days.... Yes some people are idiots and clueless Anybody that knew how bad Colombia was before Uribe would never make the statement that nothing has chaned. All though it is far from perfect, and might even be regressing some, it is still a million times better than before Uribe.
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Post by fishhead on May 14, 2016 20:17:57 GMT -5
Some people might say Colombia never left the post Uribe days.... Yes some people are idiots and clueless True. And other people know the difference between 'pre' and 'post'.
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 20:37:18 GMT -5
Duplicate
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 20:38:57 GMT -5
You are right of course, but I hope members don't devolve all their arguments down to pedancy.
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Post by fishhead on May 14, 2016 20:41:32 GMT -5
You are right of course, but I hope we don't devolve all our arguments down to pedancy. Sorry, thought it was obvious. Guess not.
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Post by billyb on May 14, 2016 20:46:34 GMT -5
I noticed it, but chose to ignore it, although I understand that urge myself. But then I realize am one of the worst spellers I know, and don't always use the correct words, so I try not to call somebody out on it like you are doing to Dan.
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Post by avispa on May 14, 2016 20:47:52 GMT -5
Oh jeez, the grammar police are here.
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Post by gallito on May 14, 2016 20:51:54 GMT -5
hmm, I was thinking pendejadas...probably a few of them committed also.
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Post by dandl93 on May 14, 2016 22:41:38 GMT -5
Liberals are always good at changing the subject(grammer,spelling and etc etc) when they cant win with facts or proven totally wrong.
I was here before Uribe and seen the Tanks on every road coming into the town I live in.I also see the same problems coming back today that Uribe had changed.
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Post by scumbuster on May 15, 2016 6:22:41 GMT -5
Liberals are always good at changing the subject(grammer,spelling and etc etc) when they cant win with facts or proven totally wrong. I was here before Uribe and seen the Tanks on every road coming into the town I live in.I also see the same problems coming back today that Uribe had changed. I am such a bad speller that sometimes the spell check cant figure it out or puts an incorrect word in. lol Uribe made it safe for Americans to come to Colombia. When I first came over 12 years ago it was strongly advised I not leave Bogota. It has regressed since Uribe left office. My wife also said that security in the cities has declined the last few years. More crime in general. Everyone my wife knows in Bogota laments the security decline in the last few years.
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Post by búfalo on May 15, 2016 11:55:09 GMT -5
It was bad before Uribe real bad but hardly the only way to travel was in military convoys. I bussed it and drove all over.
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Post by billyb on May 15, 2016 12:02:10 GMT -5
Yes, but they had the FARC "retenes", stopping cars in what was called "miracle fishing", hoping to stop somebody with money to hold for ransom. You lucked out buf, you could have spent a couple of years in an outdoor cell with Ingrid as your room mate☺
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Post by makopp5 on May 15, 2016 12:48:04 GMT -5
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